Ace, just stop. You've been a joke on saronia/sarganatas for a long time. My LS just completed 17 min SR and on Chimera (4-5min kills) our PLD tank does less than 1k dmg in the entire fight. If not for stacking +ENM gear PLD doesnt have a hope of holding hate in fights against mobs with high defense (ifrit, chimera). I'm sure you THINK your way is the best way but until you play with stat-capped melees and 400+ int BLMs you really cant back up anything u are saying.
Why the +/- Enmity stat needs to be abolished
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08-24-2012, 12:50 AMsackm
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08-24-2012, 03:17 AMGreyJorildyn
That is the point I've been trying to get across with him for several months now. It just isn't sticking though.
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08-28-2012, 04:16 PMAceofspadeswow, soo you dont tank in your group for starters, wich makes the rest of this actually make more sense. Two , pld doing next to no damage is the point, we dont use DPS for hate hold , hense enmity is less benificial. You obviously dont know this, hense the reason why you THINK pld needs enmity to hold hate. I hold hate against blms dealing 600+ damage a spell , they never go into red, and bounce from green to yellow. Reguardless how the mob or stats, the damage done is the test against hate hold. Again, somthing you would know if you knew what you were talking about. High def mobs offer less incentive for tanks like war as they hold hate more with dps, the less dps you do, the less hate you hold, wich means if your DDs are doing more dps then you , you are more likely to lose hate control. Wich is why PLD is used more then WAR these days as their hate control is in fact not biased to dps output.Quote:
Originally Posted by sackm
Using the argument " well you havent done all the content" as reasoning for your ignorant rant, is illogical, one dosent need to do all the content to know how game mechanics work. in fact, you would be evidance of that as you have done more content then me and are apreantly clueless as to hate controll on pld. -
08-28-2012, 04:22 PMAceofspades
and just one more thing, reason pld has better chance at holding hate against chimera, and im sure you knew this. Chimera is strong against mele damage, war, again, holds hate more with , wait for it..... MELE DAMAGE. soo if your nuking chimera to death and doing more dps by doing soo, your war, will likely lose hate faster then your PLD. I know its crazy to think, but I have actually tested this, war dosent hold hate well against high def mobs, at least not as well as a geared pld. the reason your pld has issues with holding hate is because is prioritizes enmity over mind. mind dose more for enmity control then "enmity" stat on pld. ;D just a heads up.
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08-29-2012, 03:58 AMGreyJorildynEpic facepalm right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceofspades
My 20 damage flat blades on Chimera are doing wonders for hate control! on High defense mobs, Paladins hold better hate than warriors when also geared with enmity. But like the poster who called you out said, you don't know anything about the upper levels of this game so it's not worth rehashing this argument over and over.
You can't discount gear simply because you do not have access to it. The game is an objective environment where all things must be considered when telling people what to wear and how to play. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp. DEF has it's place, but it's utility value gets floored when you cannot hold hate against 400+ INT BLM and 160+ DPS melees. The relic users in my LS are riding red for entire zerg fights now and if I miss a single weapon skill in my rotation (WAR), or miss a self-cure somewhere on PLD, I will lose hate. I am not gonna hold back the other 7 players in my party from dealing damage because someone (you) is telling me to prioritize MND over Enmity. That's utterly ridiculous and I wish you would stop telling people that :/
The entire game of FFXIV is not a PUG. Realize this, please for the love of god...
P.S. as a sidenote, you spent the last several months discounting mine and other people's argument by stating that we should "show testing", yet you flaunt statements like "i tested it, trust me" without showing any of your own data. That makes you a complete hypocrite by the way. -
08-29-2012, 04:11 AMBruceyBruceyBangBang
Did anyone even mention that MND enhances enmity on PLD? Cause that is kind of important to know
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08-29-2012, 05:18 AMAceofspades
lol, I havent posted tests? I have posted parses, videos, and shown you the stats on the gear that i wear durring the tests, all have been disreguarded as "lol you tested on Ifrit? what a noob" dose it realy matter? Here is my point
1) as long as the dlvl effect is active in the fight, the test is valid for boss fights
2) weaker bosses are harder to keep hate on as the mele score more crits and higher damage.
3) and Mind is in fact better for hate controll on pld then enmity materia, how is this disputable?
I dont dis credit gear according to availability, to that point, what I gear in is far more harder to attain then what you have. If I was soo inclined I would have been collecting dlh armor the whole time, fact is , I simply didnt see much value in the stats. Defending gear sets because its currently the best you have, is wrong. If its the best you have and you can make it work, awsome , go for it brother. But dont try to call me out on stat stacking when I KNOW what stats are more efficient on PLD. I do stack damage and enmity where I can but they do not take priority as they are a secondary to enmity hold on pld, every little bit counts but Im not gona stack enmity on a sword when i get more dividens out of stacking other stats. -
08-30-2012, 09:35 PMStufooYou can't even beat the dungeons, shut up and quit spewing your stupid shit all over the forums. Go be happy in-game with your cobalt cuirass with 2 DEF materia (my HDL body has more defense than your shitty meld, AND VIT, AND HP, AND 45 ENMITY, how do the stats not have value to you? You are just a blind incompetent fool), you'll never do anything worth caring about (hint: not kiting the golem in skirmish) with your stupid backwards logic, focus, and understanding, and horrible playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceofspades
The only thing MND does on PLD outside of Healing potency of Succor and AA/WS modifiers is fill the 4.5x modifier cap on Flat Blade (nothing to do with spirits combo) and that caps out very, very early. It is in no way comparable to enmity gear, at all, in any fucked up crazy reasoning you could conjure up. Enmity and MND gear DON'T EVEN COMPETE FOR THE SAME SPOTS OUTSIDE OF HEAD PIECE. What is wrong with you? -
08-30-2012, 09:40 PMBrannigan
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08-31-2012, 07:46 AMAceofspadessoo are you just trolling at this point? If you go with DLH armor, you dont get to stack ANYTHING, much less mind, and that gear lacks good numbers in that realm. Also, Mind can be put on main hand as well as enmity, soo knowing wich stat better suits that class is important when faced with the decision, " do I put gear on that gimps one stat completly just to op in another" or "when I stack materia, wich slotable stat is best for this job?" There is no truth in anything you said other then making a point that I have yet to clear two dungeons, if they were soloable, you could certainly call me out for such , but as you cant even enter without a party of 8 placing that solely on me is retarded. Any event that can be soloed, any boss that can be done defeated w/o a party, I have already beaten, soo whats your point exactly? "Ace cant get into a winning party or doesn't even try" ? How dose that make anything I have posted wrong and anything you have posted factual? IT DOESN'T lol, and you call me a joke? at least I know how to hold hate on a mob without taking a hit like bitch. grats on all that enmity, /sadface everytime you die and wipe the party because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stufoo
Wich brings me to my next point. Other then hate resets (wich are a pain in the padded ass, no doubt) why on earth would a pld need an ability to give them instant hate back after they raise from dieing? If your dieing, your failing at your job. Hate control is important but is only as good as your survivability and of those two aspects of tanking only one can be supported by the party and I will even give you a hint, its not survivability. soo before you try to "call me out" it helps to know wtf your talking about.
I can accept that there are many ways to tank, but reguardless of how you tank, the goal is the same (or at least it should be). Two main priorities, Stay alive and Keep hate. Both are equally important but only one can your party help you with. WHMS can buff you and heal you but that dosent support survivability, survivability is what makes your whms jobs easier, if you lack it you increase the chance of dieing and wipeing your party because of it.
As far as fighting dungeon main bosses go, I have fought both miser and chimera, I can do my job just fine. Its important to know that the success of both those fights lay heavly on the ENTIRE party not just the tank, soo to that point , you have no case. Any other flames can be directed to my "you dont know wtf your talking about" box, ty
and to adress the whole "my dark light has more stats" comment, this is further proof you are delusional, if you compair heavy darklight top to just the chest peice, then you are correct, but if you compair to both chest and head (wich is what the heavy darlight replaces, you are incorrect, and if your just compairing darklight plate , you are still incorrect and further proves you dont know wth your talking about when it comes to stats that help a tank. you honestly think the reason tanks no longer wear dlh armor is because they cant get em? what kind of snubby elitest bs is that? no one wears it because the stats dont help nearly as much as what can be stacked with materia. again, your dolusional, and/or are seeking some excuse as to why you can snub people who dont have dlh armor, maybe it makes you feel better bout yourself, i honestly dont know, and frankly I dont care, save your flames for someone who heeds anything you say as more then just another troll.