Do we really need the Scions again?

Anyways Scions. They're here to stay. Deal with it and move on.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Anyways Scions. They're here to stay. Deal with it and move on.

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I will deal with it by skipping the entire story every time and every damn cinematic I can, the story is an absolute bore and it's in majority because of them, it's like Hildibrand, it was fun for a while then it just got really old and boring

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I regularly interact with people who quite like the Scions, we just do something that many of this game's so called 'lore enthusiasts' fail to do - agree to disagree and compromise.

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"Agreeing to disagree" does not mean bringing the issue up every single goddamn patch and then going shocked-pikachu-face.gif when the people you've agreed to disagree with continue to disagree with you. It means dropping the issue because minds aren't going to change. The horse is dead, dude.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

But saying "people on Twitter complain too" is like saying "water is wet." People on Twitter can find ways to complain about literally anything. It's practically a non-argument.

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That's just an attempt to move the goalposts, is it not? My statement wasn't even a divisive one. I specifically stated that I have consistently witnessed mixed reactions to the Scions over the years that I've played this game. They've always been fairly divisive characters, particularly as the clingy and obsessive behaviour from the likes of G'raha has become increasingly prominent in cut scenes and dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

"Agreeing to disagree" does not mean bringing the issue up every single goddamn patch and then going shocked-pikachu-face.gif when the people you've agreed to disagree with continue to disagree with you. It means dropping the issue because minds aren't going to change. The horse is dead, dude.

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I'm not really sure what you're on about, to be quite honest. Nobody is obligated to like or dislike certain characters and I have never claimed otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Likewise. I'm active on Twitter as well as the official forums and I've seen very mixed reactions to the Scions over the years on a rather consistent basis.

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I would like to point out to Ikara and Fenral that Theodric said mixed reactions, not mostly negative. If the Twitter algorithm was trying to only feed him negative reactions to the scions, it's doing a poor job.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I will deal with it by skipping the entire story every time and every damn cinematic I can, the story is an absolute bore and it's in majority because of them, it's like Hildibrand, it was fun for a while then it just got really old and boring

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Cool beans. Don't care what you do. Just make sure you don't speak here about story beats that involve them as you won't have the knowledge necessary to comment on them going forward. Only fair.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I would like to point out to Ikara and Fenral that Theodric said mixed reactions, not mostly negative. If the Twitter algorithm was trying to only feed him negative reactions to the scions, it's doing a poor job.

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I mean I never once it was all or even mostly negative either. If he sees mixed then that's because thats the space he's in per the algorithm. I explained how that works already tbf. No clue why you're telling me this.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Main character is relative. She is certainly a main character during this story arc.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't expect her to continue in MSQ but she may have a future in a sidequest arc, which has happened previously for characters like Hilda who left the MSQ but popped up in the MCH job quests.




The twins are helping with Garlemald, yes. They're not the sole driving force behind the entire effort and it won't collapse without their personal presence – I would find that far more unrealistic. They've been there for months now, presumably working hard, and diplomatic connections have been made for trade with the Hannish. We may be getting updates on their progress for some time yet.

And Thancred and Urianger are off "wandering the realm" and doing stuff independent of us (and being amusingly sarcastic buddies), which is how they've likely ended up independently recruited to Tural.

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Since time passes in such an inconsistent way that I am not sure they have been there for months, I think this entire story arc is supposed to take 1 year from ARR to EW. And no the reconstruction of Garlemald will not halt without them, but for them to just up and leave whenever it suits them smacks of irresponsibility and lack of commitment, it would literally be them saying oh well we know you're still trying to rebuild but we want to do something else even though we've become heavily involved. It's also just another example of characters not having any real or lasting development of their own, just doing whatever the WoL and plot demands of them.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

It means dropping the issue because minds aren't going to change. The horse is dead, dude.

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So that's where this was going. He's trying to police what should and shouldn't be said on the official forums. Yikes.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

so by that standard you can just pretend everything is fine any time people complain

"people on the forums complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people in game complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people on reddit complain so it's ok its a non argument"
"people on twitter complain so it's ok its a non argument"

so basically any sort of complaint is a non argument and should be ignored

what a take lmao

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I would like to point out to Ikara and Fenral that Theodric said mixed reactions, not mostly negative. If the Twitter algorithm was trying to only feed him negative reactions to the scions, it's doing a poor job.

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It only counts when it's proof of how the Overwhelming/Vast/Great Majority wubs the game and won't accept any negative comment about it (I need not elaborate on what that sounds like...) Funnily enough, given the topic of algorithms 'curating' what content you see, Striker-GPT also brought up YouTube videos and even comments on them by trying to use them as "proof" of this great majority.

On the other hand, we could just be reasonable about it and realise that what it means is the OF is not the only place this issue comes up. It's less a statement about any majorities or 'everyone' or whatever some disingenuous people like to extrapolate it into.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

So that's where this was going. He's trying to police what should and shouldn't be said on the official forums. Yikes.

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Papers please, you need a licence for that criticism...

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Since time passes in such an inconsistent way that I am not sure they have been there for months, I think this entire story arc is supposed to take 1 year from ARR to EW.

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The thing with how FFXIV's "nebulous time" works is that there is time between events but it somehow doesn't move the calendar forward.

This means that ARR to Endwalker somehow fits within one year while requiring well more than a year to play out. The seasons never change, either.

For judging time between events, you just have to go on what people say within the individual quests. As I recall, it was implied that there was a fair gap between 6.0 and 6.1 when we called in on Tataru after being away for some time. All the Scions were off doing their own thing during that time, and then again for weeks or months between patches, which invariably end with "we're stuck waiting on this thing to happen, but it's going to take some time".