My impression of English Forum

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Originally Posted by N_GON

Just to be clear, I was not supporting Reddit or implying that it is better. What I was saying is that these kinds of sites have caused problems that extend beyond that particular site. In other words, Reddit is so bad it causes problems even outside of Reddit itself. There is a large sociological impact.

I grew up in TES 3 online forums. The official forums and php third party forums from this era had virtually zero problems. Occasionally a troll had to be banned, but the general community was full of thoughtful people that were interested in genuine discussion.

Now to be fair, another element that had changed is the internet has gotten increasingly younger.

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Make sense. The FFXIV reddit is downright insane. They are unwilling to hear or accept anything that they don't like. I will never forget this post from a while back where someone merely pointed out Viera's have human anatomy when they were discussing Viera's posture.

https://i.imgur.com/yXTfBid.png

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Make sense. The FFXIV reddit is downright insane. They are unwilling to hear or accept anything that they don't like. I will never forget this post from a while back where someone merely pointed out Viera's have human anatomy when they were discussing Viera's posture.

https://i.imgur.com/yXTfBid.png

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The FF14 Subreddit is just a YoshiP worship cult.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Make sense. The FFXIV reddit is downright insane. They are unwilling to hear or accept anything that they don't like. I will never forget this post from a while back where someone merely pointed out Viera's have human anatomy when they were discussing Viera's posture.

https://i.imgur.com/yXTfBid.png

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Reddit is one of the worst sites in general for actual discussion; every subreddit becomes a circlejerk around the subreddit's predominant opinion and the awful upvote/downvote system stifles discussion and essentially functions as a "agree or else" measure. I don't like a system of likes in general, but the XIV forums themselves are better at discussion than Reddit is for the simple fact that no matter how many people like a post, it doesn't prevent people with unpopular opinions from sharing their opinion and having their posts seen. I have no clue how anyone can use that site in any capacity; even Twitter manages to be a better place for discussion than it.

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Originally Posted by Remish

Reddit is a ceasepool with that too. I've had completely harmless posts downvoted into oblivion. Which begs the question if people just downvote to troll, witchhunt, or bots are used to do it. I don't really know. But for that reason, I can't ever support a downvote that filters posts out.

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It's a bit of everything. Some people troll on their own, and there are plenty of bots downvoting people in the pinned questions thread on reddit.

Witchhunting is done by everyone now days though. I feel like we're all a part of it. Your friend posts a link to their comment/post in a friendly discord and suddenly you have a handful of upvotes in support and downvotes else where(and we know how that snowballs since a lot of people don't read and mindlessly upvote/downvote). If anything I'd say discord is the real problem. Any time large groups of people are allowed to congregate in a single location most of them tend to end up being absolutely uncivilized and they sit there enabling each other's poor behavior.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

every subreddit becomes a circlejerk around the subreddit's predominant opinion and the awful upvote/downvote system stifles discussion and essentially functions as a "agree or else" measure.

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That's just the western world, bby~! Cancel culture is just downvoting if you think about it, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Reddit is one of the worst sites in general for actual discussion; every subreddit becomes a circlejerk around the subreddit's predominant opinion and the awful upvote/downvote system stifles discussion and essentially functions as a "agree or else" measure.

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This statement right here is so sig-worthy that it hurts.

If there is one thing for sure about the subreddit, it's moderated by bunch of gposers and anime artists. Every guide or help thread gets buried under a storm of uninteresting artist creations of characters with oversized boobs. Don't even start and try to post any critism about the game, unless you like negative karma farming or waste your time with threads getting locked.

I feel the same, OP. I don't visit the forums much because the vast majority of topics are either trolls or people complaining about every minute thing. A bit disheartening.

For the record, there are many of us who truly love this game and appreciate the devs' work! We're just not as active here ;;

Edit: I don't visit reddit either, so I have no idea of how the situation is over there.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The harsh way people talk on the EN forums has come from the fact that most EN feedback is put directly into the shredder in favor of JP feedback.

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Take a look at the Japanese forums and some of their discussions about the game on social media. We're definitely more vulgar in our communication strategies over here in the west, but the JP folks are absolutely scathing in their commentary; and they needn't resort to vulgarities to get it across. So trust me, they're just as salty as we are. The difference lies in how that salt is conveyed.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

The FF14 Subreddit is just a YoshiP worship cult.

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I think Reddit managed to turn Yoshi P. into a primal at some point. It explains a lot.

When games start including systems that encourage people to keep playing beyond what is healthy, it causes toxicity. MMOs tend to use a lot of these systems to give incentive to keep playing and spending money on the game, such as time limited events or rewards, daily grinding of resources, etc. World of Warcraft bit the bone hard on this but they aren't exclusive. Technically, the harder the content is to complete to get the reward and the more time someone has to sink into getting it, the longer lasting the impression becomes and it can drive someone into playing the game completely differently to how they used to.

It's not that any one system is toxic, just the culmination of having too many grinds at once to deal with can be a problem.