Revelations from Patch 6.3: Gods Revel, Lands Tremble

Obviously there's no way they would make us do the job quests, but I still think they can include Taynor (and crew) and just assume that everything from the role quests happened regardless on if you did the quests or not. They could do slightly different variations of cutscenes.
I understand this is kind of hard because there's a lot to explain in case you didn't to the quests, but I think they could do it somehow. Honestly after seeing that Y'shtola cutscene where she explicitly ponders about a new way to travel to the 13th made me confident that they need to at least mention Taynor in the MSQ somehow...
But then again they're all on the First and the Scions have no means to reach them so it would be kinda weird to communicate, so maybe the way we're gonna find to the 13th has nothing to do with Taynor...

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Cassar

But then again they're all on the First and the Scions have no means to reach them so it would be kinda weird to communicate, so maybe the way we're gonna find to the 13th has nothing to do with Taynor...

What do you think?

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I think you've nailed why even if it was plausible to bring in such a high-requirement questline, it still wouldn't actually work or help. Taynor existing on the First is a solution to the current problem for the MSQ crew in the same way that having a life boat in New York is a solution for a sinking ship in the English Channel.

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Originally Posted by Cassar

Obviously there's no way they would make us do the job quests, but I still think they can include Taynor (and crew) and just assume that everything from the role quests happened regardless on if you did the quests or not. They could do slightly different variations of cutscenes.
I understand this is kind of hard because there's a lot to explain in case you didn't to the quests, but I think they could do it somehow. Honestly after seeing that Y'shtola cutscene where she explicitly ponders about a new way to travel to the 13th made me confident that they need to at least mention Taynor in the MSQ somehow...
But then again they're all on the First and the Scions have no means to reach them so it would be kinda weird to communicate, so maybe the way we're gonna find to the 13th has nothing to do with Taynor...

What do you think?

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At this point I just want whenever Y'shtola finds a portal opening spell to have a dialogue option to have the WoL mention Taynor. My dream would be for the quest to have an optional step added in only if you unlocked the Role/Void Quest where halfway through whatever 'Y'shtola is finding the answer' bridge quest it is, your WoL is prompted to hop over to the Crystarium to talk to Taynor and Unukalhai and they write out the spell and had you a parchment note key item which you then return and hand over to Y'shtola. Which she then modifies to create her own portal-opening spell by combining it with restricted Sharlayan knowledge and old Allagan tech because, sigh, Allag tech. And if the player hasn't unlocked Taynor, the game dialogue glosses over that part and Y'shtola's new spell is implied to just be Sharlayan/Allag/'unspecified extra sources'.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I think you've nailed why even if it was plausible to bring in such a high-requirement questline, it still wouldn't actually work or help. Taynor existing on the First is a solution to the current problem for the MSQ crew in the same way that having a life boat in New York is a solution for a sinking ship in the English Channel.

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Yeah, it could only be the WoL who perhaps gets to go to the Thirteenth. Then again, with

Gobez now being the only threat

its not outside the reals of possibility that we may face them solo. Again I think thats unlikely. At the very least we will have Zero with us and probably Vrtra to wrap this up.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

At this point I just want whenever Y'shtola finds a portal opening spell to have a dialogue option to have the WoL mention Taynor. My dream would be for the quest to have an optional step added in only if you unlocked the Role/Void Quest where halfway through whatever 'Y'shtola is finding the answer' bridge quest it is, your WoL is prompted to hop over to the Crystarium to talk to Taynor and Unukalhai and they write out the spell and had you a parchment note key item which you then return and hand over to Y'shtola. Which she then modifies to create her own portal-opening spell by combining it with restricted Sharlayan knowledge and old Allagan tech because, sigh, Allag tech. And if the player hasn't unlocked Taynor, the game dialogue glosses over that part and Y'shtola's new spell is implied to just be Sharlayan/Allag/'unspecified extra sources'.

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I would LOVE it if they did do that. I kinda doubt they would put the resorces into just one extra scene, but you never know!

Neat detail, the MSQ still makes multiple references to the WOL being a Reaper even if you play it as a different class. Did the whole thing as a Dragoon and it still did so.

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Originally Posted by Cassar

Obviously there's no way they would make us do the job quests, but I still think they can include Taynor (and crew) and just assume that everything from the role quests happened regardless on if you did the quests or not. They could do slightly different variations of cutscenes.

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I honestly don't like that prospect. It makes it too easy to stumble into spoilers for a sidequest you haven't finished yet, and then you start having lots of weird situations with meeting the same people in multiple ways – and more relevantly, other events happening to people in multiple ways.

I think there are some kinds of characters that can shift seamlessly from side story to MSQ – one that has been hinted at but not yet eventuated is X'rhun Tia of the red mage quests. He would work as an MSQ import because there is no real difference in his situation or personality whether you meet him at level 50 or 90. The difference can be covered with a single line of either "pleased to meet you" or "good to see you again".

There's no similar sweeping over Taynor's situation. If you have not personally gotten involved in Cerigg's quest, Taynor is trapped in the rift until someone gets him out, and if that someone isn't you, then that starts raising messy narrative questions and creates an alternate narrative that is quite different from the canon one.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There's no similar sweeping over Taynor's situation. If you have not personally gotten involved in Cerigg's quest, Taynor is trapped in the rift until someone gets him out, and if that someone isn't you, then that starts raising messy narrative questions and creates an alternate narrative that is quite different from the canon one.

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Yeeeeah... I get that but like... Couldn't you technically say the same about Alexander and Omega? They're not necessary for the MSQ but they are important... If you do the Twinning dungeon you learn that they were used for the crystal tower to be able to travel to the First. Who would've gotten them subdued if not for us?

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Originally Posted by Slatersev

Neat detail, the MSQ still makes multiple references to the WOL being a Reaper even if you play it as a different class. Did the whole thing as a Dragoon and it still did so.

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In this case the references didn't feel very...natural as the characters in question had no direct association with the RPR job NPCs and thus would have no way of reliably knowing you were actually skilled in the craft short of waving your scythe/avatar around in front of them.

It's historically been people who are actually from the respective job questlines who mention your skills, such as A-ruhn mentioning your WHM proficiency in the pre-Garlemald bits.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

In this case the references didn't feel very...natural as the characters in question had no direct association with the RPR job NPCs and thus would have no way of reliably knowing you were actually skilled in the craft short of waving your scythe/avatar around in front of them.

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Eh, the only non Scion who mentions it is Jullus, who grew up in the homeland of the Reapers, and was a high ranking officer in the home Legion. Makes sense he would notice.

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Originally Posted by Cassar

Yeeeeah... I get that but like... Couldn't you technically say the same about Alexander and Omega? They're not necessary for the MSQ but they are important... If you do the Twinning dungeon you learn that they were used for the crystal tower to be able to travel to the First. Who would've gotten them subdued if not for us?

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The Twinning is a special case because of the time loop. The important thing is not "player familiarity" but "later events not happening before necessary earlier events", which in the normal flow of time is the same thing, but time travel changes that.

The use of Alexander and Omega's technology to build the CT time machine is not dependent on those events having happened in this timeline but in the other timeline – and while ideally it happened before the timeline split, in the scenario that you have not personally done those quests, you can assume that "the other you" did those things sometime after the timelines diverged and before their death in the Eighth Calamity.