Please add loot griefing to "Prohibited Activities"

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Originally Posted by Amarande

Whatever happened to the olden MMO culture, where any sort of ninja looting behavior was condemned to the point that the guilty fellow was normally shunned from groups for all eternity? Do you want people like this in your parties?

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I wish .-.; We have entire threads of people justifying garbage behaviour and weak performances because "that's their playstyle". That trying to tell people to do the bare minimum is toxic. So if people reacted that way toward those who do this sort of self-destructive behaviour, they'd be the ones to be criticised and hit with reports for being toxic.

That, and there's no real coordination for PF. So that person can go to literally any other party and do it. Even if you took it upon yourself to alert the PF leader of the guy's behaviour, they might ignore it + you'd be slapped back and told that what you're doing is persecution.

that is griefing as in the rules part of griefing is intent and if a player literally states they did something just to stop other peoples from doing or getting something it literally falls into griefing.

of course this does require someone to say it in the in game chat as people have mentioned gm's only take things said in game as evidence so people can say through other platforms and places they are griefing.

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Originally Posted by Amarande

"Get a static" really isn't helping. What about people whose schedules make it problematic? It seems like some people are not only resigning themselves to the idea of "if you want to raid, get a static" but actively condoning the idea that part of the purpose of PF is to give malcontents a place to be jerks with little accountability. How does that benefit anyone?

Whatever happened to the olden MMO culture, where any sort of ninja looting behavior was condemned to the point that the guilty fellow was normally shunned from groups for all eternity? Do you want people like this in your parties?

(Hence why I say "the Western playerbase" because in JP, from what I understand of the JP DC, it would have certainly been this person's last PUG raid ...)

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Because nowadays being toxic is cool, edgy, BASED, it's become a normality in online games and people don't condone it as hard as before.

Online games needs to be moderated more when it comes to toxicity or at least have a strong stance towards this type of behavior, you've got great example of unmoderated games with absolutely disgusting things on a daily basis.
Take for example League of Legends, if you type anything that isn't flagged by the system you'll never get banned so the most toxic players will never stop behaving in a shitty way simply because there are no consequences behind, every time I play in high elo I see "go neck" "ky5" on a daily basis in chat and that doesn't surprise anyone anymore including myself, it's become a part of the game. The same goes for destructive behavior like soft-inting to make the game a 100% loss.

Some people in the replies of this thread want toxic behavior to be part of FFXIV, I don't.
There's a point where lines will be crossed and people will say "whatever is it what it is" especially when it doesn't affect them.

Once again, this case is pretty specific since it can only be done in 4th boss of a tier and in party finder, but this is still a griefing tactic that needs to be stopped one way or another
The whole point is : something needs to be done so players cannot grief others in this type of scenario

i'm astonished from reading some of these, aside from the toxic=edgy=cool, people shouldn't normalize nor accept this type of behaviour in any kind as it is destructive in every shape or form and WILL lead to a poorer raid experience than we already have.

Do not believe that the difficulty to get said item, changes anything to the topic because it doesn't and i'd give my voice for it all the same.
I was in OP group when it happened and while it sucks, it certainly sucks and is a bad vibe for the 7 others in the group that might've wanted it.

I'm sure it has been said many times, but having common decency while playing with others shouldn't be something to be talked against, be human,be civil.

Love, Bango Zango

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Originally Posted by Amarande

The Western playerbase is pretty clearly hitting even more increasing skids. Whether this is a TOS violation or not - although honestly it should be - is rapidly becoming a secondary matter.

It's not a desynthable item, nor is it something that can be sold or given onward of itself. In other words, there isn't even the more multifaceted matter of whether "being a jerk to get ahead" is okay to consider here, because there simply wasn't even any "ahead" to get. The GNB acted flat out destructively, and I literally don't see what their defenders' rationale in rallying to them even is - especially during this tier where PF is already in a bad way due to the desperately tight DPS checks on P8S, and the alt job gearing situation is especially critical (many threads have already commented on this, but it comes down to that the community overall really needs as much gear to get out to as many people as possible and hoggish behavior like this needs to be swiftly condemned).

"Get a static" really isn't helping. What about people whose schedules make it problematic? It seems like some people are not only resigning themselves to the idea of "if you want to raid, get a static" but actively condoning the idea that part of the purpose of PF is to give malcontents a place to be jerks with little accountability. How does that benefit anyone?

Whatever happened to the olden MMO culture, where any sort of ninja looting behavior was condemned to the point that the guilty fellow was normally shunned from groups for all eternity? Do you want people like this in your parties?

(Hence why I say "the Western playerbase" because in JP, from what I understand of the JP DC, it would have certainly been this person's last PUG raid ...)

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Most people really love their 'god given rights' to be an asshole to other people for no other reason than to gloat about it. That's it really. Everything else is fancy justifications for that.

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Originally Posted by Amarande

The Western playerbase is pretty clearly hitting even more increasing skids. Whether this is a TOS violation or not - although honestly it should be - is rapidly becoming a secondary matter.

It's not a desynthable item, nor is it something that can be sold or given onward of itself. In other words, there isn't even the more multifaceted matter of whether "being a jerk to get ahead" is okay to consider here, because there simply wasn't even any "ahead" to get. The GNB acted flat out destructively, and I literally don't see what their defenders' rationale in rallying to them even is - especially during this tier where PF is already in a bad way due to the desperately tight DPS checks on P8S, and the alt job gearing situation is especially critical (many threads have already commented on this, but it comes down to that the community overall really needs as much gear to get out to as many people as possible and hoggish behavior like this needs to be swiftly condemned).

"Get a static" really isn't helping. What about people whose schedules make it problematic? It seems like some people are not only resigning themselves to the idea of "if you want to raid, get a static" but actively condoning the idea that part of the purpose of PF is to give malcontents a place to be jerks with little accountability. How does that benefit anyone?

Whatever happened to the olden MMO culture, where any sort of ninja looting behavior was condemned to the point that the guilty fellow was normally shunned from groups for all eternity? Do you want people like this in your parties?

(Hence why I say "the Western playerbase" because in JP, from what I understand of the JP DC, it would have certainly been this person's last PUG raid ...)

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Oh look it's the Discord conspiracist from GameFAQs. Also statics are the solution, and they are an option for everyone

Oh look it's the guy who's known for being a toxic butt in every thread he enters. Sure do love pointless ad hominem attacks!

Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Oh look it's the guy who's known for being a toxic butt in every thread he enters. Sure do love pointless ad hominem attacks!

Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.

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The irony is that by lying about me you commit the same fallacy you accuse me of. And people choose to not make their schedules unreliable, and a choice is...

(This is where you look up synonyms and finish the sentence)

Gotta admit, that was some pretty creative scumbaggery. I wouldn't ever think to do that to people, but I guess I'm not that malicious lmao

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Statics are quite literally NOT an option for everyone. Easiest example is someone who's schedule is unreliable and can't make set static raid times.

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Exactly this, i'll add the reasons as to why I don't want to go in a static :
Needing a schedule, having to talk to other people and interact with them, organize things, voice chat etc... I don't want any of this except for ultimate content when I go for HC prog and World Race.
I like to just hop on the game join a pf and vibe on the fight with music on whenever I feel like it;

Sure i'd get BiS faster by being in a static, but I prefer having rng loot than feeling forced to play and comply to a schedule, it's just not my cup of tea.
Party finder is used by a lot of players for a reason, not everyone wants to go for a static. Punish griefing or change the loot system.