6.25 to introduce Rank Demotion. Do you think this will help or hurt the overall PvP

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

You can't even demote to Silver. Come on if you can't even read a simple graphic properly, maybe you can't read your tooltip either and that's why you struggle to climb.



Seriously just stop crying and get good. "Oh no the game will punish me because I'm not good enough in a ranked mode" zzz. If you're not confident enough, play Casual, keep practising. If you struggle to reach Crystal then you must be doing something wrong thats all, sorry.

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Someone decided to wake up this morning and thought to themselves "I'm kind of bored what should I do today? Oh I know! I'll be toxic on the forums today and give unhelpful, unmeaningful advice and tell someone to get good because I can't be bothered to come up with any actual solutions or contribute anything meaningful to any topic! Saying stop crying and git good is the best I can come up with to support a bad game design!"

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Originally Posted by KiraShalen

You can't even demote to Silver. Come on if you can't even read a simple graphic properly, maybe you can't read your tooltip either and that's why you struggle to climb.



Seriously just stop crying and get good. "Oh no the game will punish me because I'm not good enough in a ranked mode" zzz. If you're not confident enough, play Casual, keep practising. If you struggle to reach Crystal then you must be doing something wrong thats all, sorry.

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dumpsterfire.gif But sure, I suppose it is a good troll reply. Really riles up emotions of those caught unawares.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

Someone decided to wake up this morning and thought to themselves "I'm kind of bored what should I do today? Oh I know! I'll be toxic on the forums today and give unhelpful, unmeaningful advice and tell someone to get good because I can't be bothered to come up with any actual solutions or contribute anything meaningful to any topic! Saying stop crying and git good is the best I can come up with to support a bad game design!"

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I'd be glad to help if people would be willing to improve instead of crying on the forums. Any good player gets to Crystal and a decent rating easily. So if you can't, trust me or not, but you're the main issue. I'm not saying that to be "toxic". Yes theres RNG and you need to be lucky sometimes, but complaining about that in low tiers/at low rating is obviously wrong. But I'd try my best to give "helpful advice" if you'd tell what cause you issues in the mode or if you record your games.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

Someone decided to wake up this morning and thought to themselves "I'm kind of bored what should I do today? Oh I know! I'll be toxic on the forums today and give unhelpful, unmeaningful advice and tell someone to get good because I can't be bothered to come up with any actual solutions or contribute anything meaningful to any topic! Saying stop crying and git good is the best I can come up with to support a bad game design!"

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Any player could easily make it to Crystal at the start if they just played enough games, which seems to be the problem. Ranked PvP needs there to be people at all tiers based on skill level and percentiles with movement up and movement down. If anyone can get to crystal and stay there if they play enough games, then it's not ranked matchmaking it's just another PvE grind like Relics or Hunts.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

Someone decided to wake up this morning and thought to themselves "I'm kind of bored what should I do today? Oh I know! I'll be toxic on the forums today and give unhelpful, unmeaningful advice and tell someone to get good because I can't be bothered to come up with any actual solutions or contribute anything meaningful to any topic! Saying stop crying and git good is the best I can come up with to support a bad game design!"

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Responding with valid criticism (even if they forgot to put the honey in the medicine! lol)with hollow snark doesn't mean they are wrong. The issue is the fact that your personal success depends on 4 other people who may or may not put that extra effort you are putting into mastering your PvP counterpart class. I agree with the other poster, if they added a metric and carrot on a stick system for your personal performance then you would solve the initial problem while slowly fixing the bigger issue of low player skill in PvP depending on the metrics that the game tracks when it adds up your personal performance. If a seasonal goal was "defeat X amount of opponents", or "push the crystal X yalms", or "cap X amount of checkpoints" then you would slowly see player performance rise due to the fact those goals will force the player to "git gud" or forfeit those personal seasonal goals and the rewards tied to it. See SE, ezpz. lol

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Any player could easily make it to Crystal at the start if they just played enough games, which seems to be the problem. Ranked PvP needs there to be people at all tiers based on skill level and percentiles with movement up and movement down. If anyone can get to crystal and stay there if they play enough games, then it's not ranked matchmaking it's just another PvE grind like Relics or Hunts.

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If that were true, I'd be in Crystal right now.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

If that were true, I'd be in Crystal right now.

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If you still can't get Crystal, then it's simply a skill issue

Demoting out of crystal makes sense, but I think also letting you demote out of diamond sucks.

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personally
while I appreciate some official discourse about the issue of cheaters/exploiters
I'm not a big fan of encouraging further community witch hunting either

However
if this is the road they're going to take
as opposed to say hiring dedicated staff to monitor random samples of ranked matches throughout the day with perhaps priority to monitor accounts that have been "flagged" due to receiving player reports
then go all in and give us the tools necessary to better monitor and report shenanigans ourselves

for example a spectator mode
if I were to enter into spectator mode then I'd automatically join matches as an observer and could set up my system to record while I'm afk and then be able to scrub the content and upload any nefarious activity I observed later at my leisure

also to make it so spectator mode couldn't also be "gamed" with multiple accounts the number of spectators allowed to be present in a match should be set fairly high and there should be a blatant indicator to the players in the match that there are spectators present
however just that and not the actual number of spectators or the identity of the spectators