Why are Ranged DPS so unfun to play?

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Ohh, so it's just about DMG.
I have to tell you something important.
Dmg does not matter that much.

Fights are created with the phys ranged DPS in mind.
Any standard composition can clear every fight.

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I've seen this argument again and again.

I'll ask you one important question:

If damage does not matter that much, then there is no problem with having physical ranged at the level of melee DPS, right?
If damage does not matter that much, then there is no problem with having BLM doing less damage than SMN, right ?

"Damage doesn't matter" is fallacious. On top of that, MCH and BRD suffers from game mechanics and their very low utility. DNC is fine because it brings a lot of unique mitigation.

If the hardest and most current fight who's dmg check won't be easier with due to gear is not representative, what else is?
Beside that, the savage dmg standing does not look much different.
Melees on top and only Smn and DNC swapped places.

Also, it's up to you what you think is "fun".
I definitely have fun with the current fights and classes.
Any many other too.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

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I don't know and tbh, i also don't care.
The gameplay and ascetic of a class is more important to me then the dmg number.

And as long everything is viable to play and nothing gets excluded by the community, I would call the balancing a success.

Being mechanically good and know how to play the class is more important then the potential max number that class could do.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

I don't know and tbh, i also don't care.
The gameplay and ascetic of a class is more important to me then the dmg number.

And as long everything is viable to play and nothing gets excluded by the community, I would call the balancing a success.

Being mechanically good and know how to play the class is more important then the potential max number that class could do.

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I used to think like that when playing MCH in ShB.

Until I realized all I could do was improving my DPS, my job was essentially useless to the group.
Back in Stormblood, the job was annoying to play and in the shadow of the BRD. But it had a very good utility. Being a support DPS with guns was what attracted me first to the job.
Now the job having too much automated tool and the lowest impact in all the group turned me away from the job.

I stopped playing ranged and went tank for EW, and I feel much more useful to the group. I hope this is temporary and that I will be able to enjoy MCH again.

I still love MCH aesthetic but mechanically it needs some tweaks and balance wise it doesn't feel impactful to the team.

I still find rdps more fun to play.

I just got my first melee to max. Sam. I hate it. Not fun. I don't like the rotation or opener. I went back to Bard whom I don't even like but different hate then to sam. Bard more fun to play in pve AND pvp then sam.
Truthfully. If Mch could use a bow I'll play that over Bard. Even Damage was 50% lower then all jobs. I love Mch rotation but hate using a gun.

Bard is the first dps I swap to from my list so I don't have issues here. This iteration of bard is my favorite one so far

I used to play DNC in ShB before I switched to SAM so I can't speak for the current state of it, but I think just being ranged in general can get boring. I enjoyed the 2 minute burst window (I don't like how this became the standard in Endwalker) but everything outside of that felt very slow unless you just got huge amounts of esprit and feathers out of nowhere with good rng.

I swapped over to melee with more rigid rotations and having moments where keeping uptime can be a near-death experience is always fun for me and I feel like I'm more involved with the target I'm fighting

It's not the role for me, but I do know people that can enjoy playing the jobs as their mains

Ya know, I thought it was the massive hyperbole of “my numbers are low indefinitely” but Ignoring that (you should only care if your doing the 5 trials, and even then it’s not so low to cause a rift, unless your playing with jerks ) and stating they aren’t fun period.

BRD is the brightest of the 3, watching dots, playing OGCD wack-a-mole spray some Minne and Paeon here and there is ok, yes it needs work but better than the other two

DNC was born to be boring and simple so enough said

MCH was born to be BRD Cast-cousin in HW, got a side identity in SB and got heavily lobotomized in SHB now it’s a the same lobotomized mess that some idiots thought would talk again forgetting the fact it got freaking lobotomized and the only way it’ll live again is through a rework. Also as a ranged “support” the only support it can get is being someones potential tax right off due to it being handicapped. This job doesn’t need help it needs the lethal injection! Kill, stuff it mount it as a cautionary tale and rework the crap out of it

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Originally Posted by Sindal

Bard is the first dps I swap to from my list so I don't have issues here. This iteration of bard is my favorite one so far

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I like BRD but it’s got baggage, mostly the support feels off key, Soul voice feels taked on and dots loosing its luster

MCH I agree isn't the best right now, like just play Reaper lol.

BRD is probably the least appealing looking job in the game to me maybe I'll like it if I level it one day.

DNC is a job I leveled recently and I actually quite like it. It's a great example of a simple job that is also still fun to play. And the burst phase feels crazy busy.

Hard to have fun in a role the devs don't care about