There has not been a single major patch without a critical issue since Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

I bet no one realized about the inconsistency at all before the Koji announcement. The moment they realized it's not Koji, their paradigm got shifted and suddenly SHB localization have a lot of issue.

Lmao this is so childish.
This is the kind of disingenuous complain I can't stand.

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I don't think it's childish at all. The game actively advertises its story as the main focus - something its own player base is quick to reinforce at every possible turn. Furthermore, you realise a lot of us are European, right? That many of our friends are French and German so that discussing the game's story is difficult when the game is putting a completely different spin on something that isn't the case elsewhere.

Koji had a hand in situations such as the Haurchefant predicament though I wouldn't consider toning down an outright sex pest character to be as jarring as rewriting existing established story beats in order to downplay and excuse acts of genocide.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I gave several examples of things SE could implement that would distract a lot of the audience until 6.25

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a lot =/= everyone, (which is what you wished for, content for everyone). i still play CC (only a few matches a week but heck, an hour a week still means more "excitement for my money" than pretty much everything else i could buy for 13 euros.) you mentioned how great pet battles were in wow okay, i and many others couldn't have cared less for them back than. its great that was something for you, but again this is not for everyone. for me ? pet battles in wow allways sucked for me, never felt any fun doing them. now in final i do treasure maps twice a week, i also still level classes and grind for money just because i like having spare gil, and before mahjsoul took off in the west i actually used ffxiv to play mahjong cause it was pretty much the easiest way to get some form of english speaking mahjong client.

i get it, the one big feature of 6.1 fell short for you, for understandable reasons at that and that sucks, but "wow pet battles" aren't superior to cc or doing treasure maps twice a week just because you in particular like them more. CC did distract a lot of the audience for a good while, and so do other things. you (and with you i mean the whole "the sky is falling" crew) need to stop acting like the game offers nothing to do because you find nothing that keeps you engaged. maybe the game offers nothing for you, and if thats so than that sucks, but this isn't a zero sum game. for every feature you personally would like more compared to things we actually got someone else would prefer what we got now instead of "wow pet battles".

i mean no offense to you btw even if the thing about the sky falling may sound like that, i get wanting something to do, i get having attachment to a product and wanting it to do better and i get being unhappy with the way things are. BUT and everyone needs to admit to themselves this one simple fact, if square actually gave you one of those things that you think would help solve the issues you have than something else would need to be put on the backburner in exchange, and that will also piss off people, just another group of people in that case.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Yessss I'd love for them to do more with the Companion system, it has been there for so long without any massive changes. They could really go for updating the system, adding more to the chocobo, maybe even giving us the Chocobo Hot and Cold minigame from FF9.

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That's what I'm talking about! How good it is to find people who know how to discuss in this forum.

I recently resubbed to FFXI due to the content drought. Savage and Ultimate do nothing for me, and the MSQ can be done in a single day. PvP was okay while it lasted, but there's little incentive to do it after reaching Crystal and completing your Series (Battle pass).

Too bad most of the stuff I'm interested in has been relegated to just questing (Relics obtained through Hildibrand), or they are going to arrive at 6.25 at some point in September-October.

I used to treat the relics as my version of "endgame", in lieu of not doing Savage or Ultimates, but even that has lost its staying power. Now I just log in to do my beast tribes, and that's it. Sometimes I delve in Bozja to get the last remaining mettle buffs I need.

I understand people's desire to defend the game. I get it. I'm a huge fan of this game too and consider it my main MMO. I've just had less and less things to look forward to over time. Glad the current system is working out for some people though.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

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It doesn't necessarily have to be a pet battle. I usually complain and give examples of where SE can improve. CC is nice, but it gets sick really fast. I'm giving options for things that could take our time without being necessary to get Gear.

The gold saucer events, for example. They amused me a lot at first, making me forget about the main quests, just to stick around. The problem is that they stopped in time with the content, they even said that they would renew the GS, but so far nothing has come. This would be another tip on how to entertain people for long periods.

You have to imagine your audience, think of something that most people would get distracted from, and release something in this aspect, something that doesn't get sick quickly, so that people forget that the next patch is 5 months away.


EDIT: I reached my daily post limit, but I couldn't leave it open and look like I just disappeared

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

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This I can't stop saying, I'm sorry. Even those who defend SE with claws say that "you are crying for nothing, Patch X.X always lacks content due to X". What I want to say in the end is: We don't have content that holds our attention for LONG periods. Just content that will entertain us for 1-2 weeks and otherwise, as SE supporters would say, "Do something else, play another game, go step on the grass outside".

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Housing glitch. EW queue bugs (which had to be resolved by a Redditor and not their own engineers). And now... DC visit shenanigans.

This has never happened at this alarming frequency in HW, SB, and even ShB.

What is going on?

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Welcome to the world of ALL mmo's

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

It doesn't necessarily have to be a pet battle. I usually complain and give examples of where SE can improve. CC is nice, but it gets sick really fast. I'm giving options for things that could take our time without being necessary to get Gear.

The gold saucer events, for example. They amused me a lot at first, making me forget about the main quests, just to stick around. The problem is that they stopped in time with the content, they even said that they would renew the GS, but so far nothing has come. This would be another tip on how to entertain people for long periods.

You have to imagine your audience, think of something that most people would get distracted from, and release something in this aspect, something that doesn't get sick quickly, so that people forget that the next patch is 5 months away.

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yes but again, these are things "you" would want, i don't mean this in an offensive way, i truly don't, but you are in no way an authority on what would entertain a majority of costumers for a long amount of time and neither am i or really anyone else in this threads for that matter, that is the big problem i have with that logic.

say updated blue mage content, you said you would love that, and that is great and if it was up to me than you and everyone else that wants that should be free to get it. still though, updating blue now would mean something else would come later, thats just a fact and you can't simply claim that that would make more people happy than datacenter travel or CC even if you personally allready stopped doing it. Square did offer at the least 2 very big things in the last 3 months and there is more to come in the next months.

and to be clear here, i'm totally in favor of people, you included stating things they would prefer, but what grinds my gear is acting like all these other things don't count because they didn't manage to keep your personal interest. not being happy is perfectly fine, if sad. Stating things one would prefer is even better, i love that you actually named things you would like to have, i'm serious. but for the love of god, and that goes for half this thread at least. stop claiming square offers nothing to the playerbase and just doesn't care because they didn't manage to produce something that keeps you in particular entertained, thats not how this works and the forum threads turn into echo chambers way to fast to get any meaningfull insight on what any form of majority wants just by looking at threads complaining that everything sucks.

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to give my post limit some spares i'm just gonna reply in kind, but going into your edit yes, totally. what i mostly meant was that for a lot of people things like that do exist (for example treasure maps for me are a great thing that never really loses its value completly)
but i totally understand that people want something new from time to time or aren't happy about the things i am. also i want to apologize if i came off as antagonistic, i know i allready said i meant no offense but i know my tone was agitated, it just gets tiresome sometimes because people on both side of the fence tend to take things way to personally.

at the end of the day i actually agree with you that more "long term content" would be a great thing, i just have an honest fear that the only "long term content" that would be enough for some people is basically an endless gear grind, and i assume we have both seen how that ends. i'm totally in favor of more "long term fun stuff" and in that regard i do hope that variant/criterion dungeons aswell as island sanctuaries manage to deliver cause no matter what, thats what we get next.

that aside ? gimme more gold saucer, and keep updating deep dungeons instead of just giving us a new one every 3 or so years !

Its definately a trend we're seeing yes, but we haven't hit the tipping point just yet, corporate apologists will still defend the game until something egregious happens.

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Originally Posted by Denji

"Is square out of touch? No, it's the players who are wrong."

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Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

This is something that the average consumer would not be able to meaningfully provide, especially to the level that other consumers, as evidenced on these forums, demand. Typically a producer/provider/manufacturer/company/group does not require a thesis on how to improve their product before they consider customer feedback, because they know that's unrealistic for them to expect from every consumer and it would be unrealistic for them to be expected to digest such feedback.
Instead, most just expect their consumers to either like or dislike their product(s) to varying degrees, and hope for small, but specific tidbits as to what needs to be improved to garner additional interest and retention. For example, "PVP is bad" or "The Endsinger tastes like feet." The feedback may not be very specific, or even make sense, but they have key components listed which can be reviewed for issues.

That being said, laundry-lists of grievances are more specific and nuanced than those examples, and there are quite a few posts that do come with explanations and suggestions for improvements, but I guess those just don't count because of the "other consumers" I mentioned earlier.
Oh well, I guess.

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Well said. I do get the impression a lot of posters expressing views like that have never seen how larger businesses process feedback. Granted, this applies to smaller ones to some degree too, but there is no such luxury as expecting that it will be well written or structured, and it is the business's job to analyse it, understand it and then seek out further insight from it using the tools at its disposal, which in SE's case, are considerable. Just sticking their hands up in the air because some criticism is not well worded is not good enough - they're happy to solicit feedback at the end of a subscription, which I can only imagine is going to be more terse and minimal than what they'll find on this forum for the most part. They provide this venue to solicit feedback, it is incumbent upon them to make sure it is put to good use for that end.