VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

Realistically, I feel like bringing all the aesthetician hairstyles to viera is a more reasonable ask than completely new styles that could only be used on one race and one gender. Just my feeling on the matter.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I just want some softer hairstyles, some waves. With that said, I don't think they will bring in more raceexclusive hairstyles. as someone else said it is probably easier to adapt existing hairstyles than make new ones, even with inspiration.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

The ideal situation in my opinion is; Viera need to have a pro and con, the pro being we get all the unlockable styles in the game as well as more race-exclusive hairstyles on top of that, but the con being we still can't wear majority of helmets and hats. The new race-exclusive hairstyle would be a compensation for lack of headgear. And considering SE are even in this expansion keeping headgear from us, my theory is this was SE's original plan... Not sure if it's still the case though.

If the other races got access to the new exclusive viera hair, it would be unfair on us and would result in Viera being a 'con-con' situation, as in very limited headgear and nothing to compensate for it. So, we would still be suffering from the whole "Viera still have almost no headgear" situation while the other races get everything we have.

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I'll also add another bit to my comment. The issue is, SE have already said that that their plan is to give Viera more exclusive hairstyles in 2019, but they haven't said since if its still their plan or not. Going back on their word without a new plan to make up for the limitations is unprofessional, especially considering how much profit they made from people using fantasias to switch from Viera to another race and vice a versa. I do not believe for one second that SE would publicly announce a plan on V/H and then scrap it for the sake of "they can just stay a limited race." It doesn't sit right with me.

The Hrothgar and Viera players do not deserve to stay a limited race. The only way I would deem this fair is if SE somehow managed to fix the achievement hats as well as the job hats to our character. Obviously, if they're not doing that with majority of hats in EW then I expect them to continue with their word and give the races something that makes them more appealing/worth sticking out. Otherwise, what is the genuine point of playing as Viera other than for the appearance? The lack of hats is a major downside and we still don't know if all the modern aesthetics will work on us.

As a player who has only ever played Viera and whose SO only played Hrothgar, it’s literally a dream of ours to have something, anything. I shouldn’t have to leave so many of my glams with empty helmet slots because the few options we have are either getting repetitive (I’ve used the flower crown more times than I can count, and I’ve used silly horns so often because I just wanted to wear something cool) or just aren’t excited at all, ie a few goggles, masks, etc. I forgive and excuse all the past items, but after implementing these two races, there is NO reason to continue making set after set and excluding us.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I'll also add another bit to my comment. The issue is, SE have already said that that their plan is to give Viera more exclusive hairstyles in 2019, but they haven't said since if its still their plan or not. Going back on their word without a new plan to make up for the limitations is unprofessional, especially considering how much profit they made from people using fantasias to switch from Viera to another race and vice a versa. I do not believe for one second that SE would publicly announce a plan on V/H and then scrap it for the sake of "they can just stay a limited race." It doesn't sit right with me.

The Hrothgar and Viera players do not deserve to stay a limited race. The only way I would deem this fair is if SE somehow managed to fix the achievement hats as well as the job hats to our character. Obviously, if they're not doing that with majority of hats in EW then I expect them to continue with their word and give the races something that makes them more appealing/worth sticking out. Otherwise, what is the genuine point of playing as Viera other than for the appearance? The lack of hats is a major downside and we still don't know if all the modern aesthetics will work on us.

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They can continue with the pandemic excuse of limited resources for a long time. If you look at what came out in EW alot of it was just reskins of already existing gear, for instance. I imagine that for now anything "new" will be limited since it requires more resources. Is it right? No, ofcourse not. We deserve better. But 6 hairstyles after 2 years, and specifically THOSE hairstyles, say alot. I am curious what 6.1 brings, since it is supposed to be an update for hrothgar. I hope viera also get an update then.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

They can continue with the pandemic excuse of limited resources for a long time. If you look at what came out in EW alot of it was just reskins of already existing gear, for instance. I imagine that for now anything "new" will be limited since it requires more resources. Is it right? No, ofcourse not. We deserve better. But 6 hairstyles after 2 years, and specifically THOSE hairstyles, say alot. I am curious what 6.1 brings, since it is supposed to be an update for hrothgar. I hope viera also get an update then.

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Unpopular opinion, but it also doesn't help that they spent a considerable amount of time creating male Viera, instead of fixing the issues with female Viera and male Hrothgar. There was no urgency for male Viera, we could have waited 2+ years without them. SE can hide behind the "its a pandemic" excuse but it's long worn out because it's evident they prioritised a races' gender counterpart instead of working on the ones we already have. I'm curious what 6.1 will bring us, but if SE manage to fix Hrothgars ridiculous 'fantasia to change haircut' issue then that'll at least gain them some credit for actually trying to make our situation better.

I wish we at least got the few "unlockable" hairstyles that other races have. I don't want anything unique or special, just give me a regular haircut with some space for the bunny ears.

For example, when I started playing I was absolutely in love with the "form and function" hairstyle and went to buy it off the board once I had enough saved up. Not a nice surprise that the race I bought Shadowbringers for, a couple months before EW, magically didn't support that.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Unpopular opinion, but it also doesn't help that they spent a considerable amount of time creating male Viera, instead of fixing the issues with female Viera and male Hrothgar. There was no urgency for male Viera, we could have waited 2+ years without them. SE can hide behind the "its a pandemic" excuse but it's long worn out because it's evident they prioritised a races' gender counterpart instead of working on the ones we already have. I'm curious what 6.1 will bring us, but if SE manage to fix Hrothgars ridiculous 'fantasia to change haircut' issue then that'll at least gain them some credit for actually trying to make our situation better.

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It shouldn't be an unpopular opinion, because it is an accurate point
The time making male viera should have been put into fixing & adding Viera specific hairstyles to female viera- then releasing male viera much later- there is no downside to have a race pushed back because that could give the designers more time to add better features

My "unpopular" opinion is Hrothgar should have been released in place of male viera so that female viera & male hrothgar looked more complete & would lack alot of the issues they currently have since they appear to be rushed. (and now, clearly ignored)

Since ShB I've always said "Why didn't they just focus on one race 1st?"

All I want is the red mage hat for my hrothgar. That’s all

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

The time making male viera should have been put into fixing & adding Viera specific hairstyles to female viera- then releasing male viera much later- there is no downside to have a race pushed back because that could give the designers more time to add better features
Since ShB I've always said "Why didn't they just focus on one race 1st?"

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I agree with this so much. The only reason we're in this situation now is because of the public demand. When F/V and M/H were introduced there was a massive outcry on how gender locking races is the most ludicrous thing in the world and needed to be fixed asap, there were forum posts and even articles online about it. I don't think anyone ever took into account just how much time was required to create new characters, and they definitely didn't consider how much the already-existing characters would get ignored so they could fix this "gender locking issue".

I simply do not understand the limitation excuse they keep giving. They literally create these headpieces that work with Elezen ears, Miqo ears, Lala ears and Au Ra horns but some bunny ears they can't handle?

Oh and don't even get me started on the new items coming out now that they implement with this ridiculous limitation. For example, I can almost guarantee the new All Saint's Wake hat won't work.

I wouldn't honestly care if the ears just disappeared with helmets, if people didn't like it they could just not use the helmets.
Not saying they shouldn't add pockets or holes the ears could go through ( altho if I wore a helmet and had those ears I'd want them protected lol, it's a miracle any Viera seeing combat still has them intact ), but just if they wanted a simple solution.

'' It doesn't make sense '' etc etc, I mean...
Why does my character get a magical breast reduction in so much gear?
It's not like it's '' making sense '' or is consistent anyways.
It's a bit funny too when the same people complain about revealing gear not making sense but then want their ears and tails to be out.
It'd be easier to lop them off than to get a hit in anywhere on the torso, your ears and tail wouldn't be important to protect?
Logic has no real place here imo.

It's the same with tails if I had a tail I'd probably bind it down and tuck it in or something, why would you want to have your tail out if you're wearing armor if people want to talk about logic then that should be the real question.