Fishing Not Respectful Of Player's Time

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melorie

If you're fishing because you're just, fishing, yes, but specific fishies for achievments require certain combinations of skills/baits, are only allowed at certain times/weather that you have to keep track of, so it's not as simple as "click when !". So it's not always easy to actually just afk and wait for the timer.
IMO the solution already exists, you have other two other gathering classes that require none of this, none of the rng or mini game aspects and are normal clickers.

---

I didn't necessarily say it was that simple, but from what I'm aware, you can use the timer + !s, along with your weather to basically know if you hooked what you wanted to or not. It's still rng, but this means you have the option of not reeling in your catch and saving your buffs. It probably only matters for ocean fishing though.

Yep, the fishing community has complied the range of hook timers for every fish - there's a few seconds of range and some fish overlap so you won't know exactly which fish every time for every fish, but for example Ealad Skaan, that Legendary Big Fish from ShB mentioned earlier in the thread: it has the notoriously short window of only 90 seconds. If you use the 'Chum' skill on casts to speed up the time between cast and hook, then any !!! before 10 seconds after casting is Ealad Skaan (and the only other !!! fish at that spot is Fury, which is slightly longer. Which means that yes, have pulled in a Fury thinking it was Ealad because I messed up my timer). And the judical usage of Surface Slap and waiting for the right strength of pull at the right time is key to setting up the right conditions for the fish you want. Same with Spearfishing and knowing if the fish you're after is a fast or slow swimmer and which of the three sizes.

Or you can just reel in every tug if you're just fishing.

I think my only real complaint still with Big Fish now that we have things like Fish Eyes to help with timers (though I think it still doesn't work on all big fish, right?) is that they can still not bite in their windows. I feel if something is so specific where it will only have a window when one weather pattern changes to a certain other pattern, it should be guaranteed to bite in that window. Because outside of the time those weather pattern changes can still be days or weeks apart. And if it's at a time you sleep or work or otherwise aren't online then that makes it even more annoying when you do manage to catch a window and it never bites.

I can fish.. and I am at 90... but I have no home and no aquarium =-(

Help me, I'm poor =*(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I can fish.. and I am at 90... but I have no home and no aquarium =-(

Help me, I'm poor =*(

---

Apartments are there?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melorie

I love fishing. I hate this notion that the game should respect your time in everything. We have SO many things in this game where you simply dedicate yourself a week or so and you'll get it, I don't know why letting people have something that gives them a longer goal and it's completely optional is such an issue.

I personally really enjoy the mini-game and the whole community that is built around it. I love how it gives me a reason to explores the maps and enjoy them as something more than just-a-background-for-the-story.

It's perhaps the only content in the game where I can feel proud by something accomplished at lvl 50, 60, 70, even though I'm a higher level. There's no sense that only the very newest content will keep you enganged and be actually hard, given how bad the sync is in this game. It's the closest to horizontal progression we got.

Hopefully it stays that way and for the entitled people that thinks anything that THEY don't enjoy doing MUST be changed to cather their particular need, you have the rest of the entire game for you. That should be enough. If you don't enjoy the act of fishing, you shouldn't want the rod regardless.

---

This isn't a Korean MMO and things should have insane timers (once a month at 2 am) or requirements. I feel the same about the achievements that require 2000 / 5000 A rank, S rank kills.

There's a reason I don't play those kind of games. I play to de-stress, not have a second job.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Deceptus

This isn't a Korean MMO and things should have insane timers (once a month at 2 am) or requirements. I feel the same about the achievements that require 2000 / 5000 A rank, S rank kills.

There's a reason I don't play those kind of games. I play to de-stress, not have a second job.

---

Well, you have rest of the entire game available for you. Having one content with a bit of rng and timers shouldn't matter. And even inside fishing, how many fishies are actually that difficult?
You can't despise grind and still want to be a completionist. You either chose one or the other. There's plenty of achievments and content that's fairly grindless to get.

And there's nothing stressful about fishing? It's THE most relaxing activity of the game, it's just not made for anxious brats.
Besides, many people play grinding games because they find grind in general relaxing. Not because they treat it as a second job.

Are some of the fish windows ridiculous? yes. It took me over a year of trying to get Stethy and Aquamaton. Ealad and Lancet I only got today/a few days ago in part because I wasn't trying to catch the windows of opportunity for more than a year because the sheer hurdle of their requirements meant that I didn't want to stress over trying to ctach them until they were practically the last fish on my list. But, I did catch them - and I know people who got their Big Fish title in less than five months of effort. And I'm glad that Legendary Fishing has been simplified and nerfed thanks to various skills (and ARR zones having flying available). And as said, I hope the next expansion expands Fish Eyes to ShB and maybe even EW - I'd prefer it not to work for the current expansion as to keep the challenge, but it is a skill that allows something similar to running old content unsynced.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Deceptus

This isn't a Korean MMO and things should have insane timers (once a month at 2 am) or requirements. I feel the same about the achievements that require 2000 / 5000 A rank, S rank kills.

There's a reason I don't play those kind of games. I play to de-stress, not have a second job.

---

So what? Not everybody likes everything, which is why the game has such a wide variety of content in the first place.

Big Fishing isn't a vital progression system that everyone is required to take part in whether they like it or not. It's a completely optional side activity designed specifically to appeal to the people who like that type of grind. The fact that you're not the target audience doesn't make it bad.

I've never enjoyed fishing in any game...or real life so I'm a bit bias but I don't think it was designed to respect your time. It's meant to be hard, a grind, and RNG based...

Kinda like in real life.

I wish it was like Miner, u go to your spot and you know what you're gonna get.

That's why I chose Miner as my Gatherer of choice, also because mining is a huge part of our Industry & Culture here in the Appalachian Mountains.

But fishing is big here to.