What is ERP?

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

Very few people, if any, in that thread spoke out in defense of ERP venues getting hit. One person said they like the tags so they 100% know what they are getting into. Other people have mentioned there's a big difference between 18+ and ERP and shouldn't be considered the same. Almost everyone thinks (rightfully) that everybody shouldn't get punished for bad apples... Something I believe in every aspect of life.

But again... If you're so concerned about the children, we need to ban all those FCs that are 18+, right?

Like I want to believe you're genuine. I want to believe the most charitable thing of everyone... But it's also very hard to do so, when you seem completely find with people who just want to play pretend getting punished because of people do bad things... Doubly so when you use words like "purge", which outside the medical/health field has always had some rather authoritarian conditions and feels more meme-y that serious.

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You realize that expression you use -- bad apple -- refers to "one bad apple can spoil the barrel?"

I'm merely saying I'm increasingly convinced the barrel is now spoiled.

Yes, "for the children." Because it's still a game they are encouraged to play.

Square removed chat from PVP for toxicity; perhaps it's time to remove custom PF messages. That would be a nice workaround to remove run sellers, brothel ads, and feet pics. People doing actual gameplay party content could still form up and set PF accordingly, and statics could still recruit via the Balance.

Social gatherings could still find a place in community finder, but we'd need to look into moderation there as well-- perhaps preset messages. Kicking every social post off PF would go a long way into forcing people to find a way to make the community finder work, as well.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Since it's not possible for a GM or player to determine what is 18+ NSFW and 18+ "I hate kids" then perhaps it's best to just nuke it all.

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You could say this about literally any content. There's nothing stopping a creep trying to get frisky with someone they met in a trial mount farm group. Creepy NSFW behaviour doesn't always only begin with rp.

The point of forbidding advertisements in PF that are clearly for erp is so that the game isn't openly showing ease of access for 18+ sexual content in a game that welcomes minors to play.

If the game was 18+ I wouldn't care as much. Sure minors would still be playing but parents who buy their children these games are the ones putting them at risk for not taking the age rating seriously. In the case of this game, that is rated for teens under 18, by allowing sexual content to be openly advertised we are literally hoping for minors to have enough sense to know how to deal with this situation. I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why this isn't good (not directed at you, just to anyone in general).

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You could say this about literally any content. There's nothing stopping a creep trying to get frisky with someone they met in a trial mount farm group. Creepy NSFW behaviour doesn't always only begin with rp.

The point of forbidding advertisements in PF that are clearly for erp is so that the game isn't openly showing ease of access for 18+ sexual content in a game that welcomes minors to play.

If the game was 18+ I wouldn't care as much. Sure minors would still be playing but parents who buy their children these games are the ones putting them at risk for not taking the age rating seriously. In the case of this game, that is rated for teens under 18, by allowing sexual content to be openly advertised we are literally hoping for minors to have enough sense to know how to deal with this situation. I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why this isn't good (not directed at you, just to anyone in general).

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It can, but the issue at hand is how a small group of creeps (public advertising explicit rp, groomers) is finding safe harbor in a larger group (the general RP community.) The bad apple analogy isn't far off; they're the bad apples spreading their rot and ruining the barrel. Since they're not getting removed from the barrel, it no longer really matters which individual apple is rotten; the whole barrel might need to be tossed out.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

It can, but the issue at hand is how a small group of creeps (public advertising explicit rp) is finding safe harbor in a larger group. The bad apple analogy isn't far off; they're the bad apples spreading their rot to the rest of the RP community. Since they're not getting removed from the barrel, it no longer really matters which individual apple is rotten; the whole barrel might need to be tossed out.

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The thing is this will not work unless SE explicitly ban all forms of open erp advertisement. If these people are only blocked from using PF they'll just use something else feeling safe knowing they can't get banned for it. Sure other forms of advertisement aren't as far reaching as PF, but go to Limsa in peak hours on the weekend...so many potential customers!

If SE banned open advertisement of erp in any public channel, then we could still have other rpers use PF without having to endure the prostitute listings, as long as players report them of course. If people find out that they could get in real trouble if they're caught that will certainly be enough of a deterrent for many players.

There is no need to sweep all rpers and toss them in the same box when it's possible to target the actual problem.

And lets say SE do ban all rp advertisements from PF, well we would still have to hope they would get reported which is the exact same as hoping erp advertisements would get reported...so I see little point in banning all rp listings if the method of dealing with only erp would be the same. No need to punish everyone.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The thing is this will not work unless SE explicitly ban all forms of open erp advertisement. If these people are only blocked from using PF they'll just use something else feeling safe knowing they can't get banned for it. Sure other forms of advertisement aren't as far reaching as PF, but go to Limsa in peak hours on the weekend...so many potential customers!

If SE banned open advertisement of erp in any public channel, then we could still have other rpers use PF without having to endure the prostitute listings, as long as players report them of course. If people find out that they could get in real trouble if they're caught that will certainly be enough of a deterrent for many players.

There is no need to sweep all rpers and toss them in the same box when it's possible to target the actual problem.

And lets say SE do ban all rp advertisements from PF, well we would still have to hope they would get reported which is the exact same as hoping erp advertisements would get reported...so I see little point in banning all rp listings if the method of dealing with only erp would be the same. No need to punish everyone.

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I don't disagree, ultimately the bad apples need to be removed before they ruin the barrel. The issue is timing, and Square seems to be content to just sit on this for now.

That's only going to make it necessary to remove more "bad apples" as time goes on. Perhaps they're just sitting on it now because they've waited too long.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I don't disagree, ultimately the bad apples need to be removed before they ruin the barrel. The issue is timing, and Square seems to be content to just sit on this for now.

That's only going to make things worse.

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Yea I'm not a fan of that. They could at least put a rp tab in PF. That can't be complicated to implement.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

You realize that expression you use -- bad apple -- refers to "one bad apple can spoil the barrel?"

I'm merely saying I'm increasingly convinced the barrel is now spoiled.

Yes, "for the children." Because it's still a game they are encouraged to play.

Square removed chat from PVP for toxicity; perhaps it's time to remove custom PF messages. That would be a nice workaround to remove run sellers, brothel ads, and feet pics. People doing actual gameplay party content could still form up and set PF accordingly, and statics could still recruit via the Balance.

Social gatherings could still find a place in community finder, but we'd need to look into moderation there as well-- perhaps preset messages. Kicking every social post off PF would go a long way into forcing people to find a way to make the community finder work, as well.

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One bad apple spoils can spoil the bunch, but you don't suddenly make it so that no one can ever eat apples again. But to be very clear... "for the children", you absolutely think that every 18+ FC should have to close its doors and stop recruiting?

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

One bad apple spoils can spoil the bunch, but you don't suddenly make it so that no one can ever eat apples again. But to be very clear... "for the children", you absolutely think that every 18+ FC should have to close its doors and stop recruiting?

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No, I'm simply saying the GMs need to take out the trash. The longer the wait, the more trash they'll need to take out.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

I don't what to be that person, especially since I don't ERP, but I don't think anyone with the user name lolicon can judge anyone for anything...

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I'm not "judging" tho, that's why i wrote "IMO". I really REALLY don't understand where's the fun part on being idle, just writing some kind of lewd stuff for hours; especially in a game with a monthly sub.

Also, nah, my username does not prevent me from doing anything

...well, you see...when a miqo'te and an au ra love each other very very much...