Please don't delay Savage Raid Releases

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

As a long time omni-crafter, this is simply inaccurate. People buy gear because they want upgrades. I've made more off casual players selling the highest ilvl gear than raiders. How do I know? Because raiders typically aren't buying it week 5, 6,7, 10 and 11 yet casual players will. For the same reason people bother capping tomes each week. Plenty like upgrades even if it's technically unnecessary, and even more beneficial they wait.

From the preparation side of the argument. I have both crafted for an entire static (my own) and spoken with several others. Most crafters, especially in the hardcore environment are begging for a delay. It isn't lost content, it's a stress relief because now we don't have to trip ourselves trying to gather a plethora of different materials, new rotations, potential remelding and etc. Seriously, you have the likes of Ashe10 asking for a delay despite being one of the most prolific crafters in the game with billions of gil. On the more cynical side, Shadowbringers already put a huge dent in crafting content due to how easy most of it is. A week delay for raid preparation won't have even a fraction of as much an impact in terms of profit as this expansion's changes did. Put simply, it won't "kill content" for others. Crafters are typically the ones asking for the delay alongside raiders.

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I'm well aware casual players are also the ones paying for gear, but they simply will not pay prices that you will see within the first 5 days of the patch, and neither will raiders since they won't even need it until the following week, so largely you're just going to have the gear sit on the market, then sales will begin once prices have more than plummeted to around 1/10 of what you'd otherwise be making. I don't dispute the advantage this has for people that rely on themselves, but whether you're prepared to agree or not I personally see this as a content killer as I take a large portion of enjoyment out of day 1-rush, as I am sure quite a few people would agree- Regardless, both of our accounts and community spheres accommodate for a very small portion of the community, so I'm not really going to take "cuz my friends said so" as anything or the words of a 'prolific crafter', in fact, I have rarely seen Ashe craft outside of the first week, so what you're saying here seems quite contradictory, not to mention the enjoyment he generally takes out of day 1, and the difficulty of solving the crafts.

I personally care less for the profits, and more about the challenge, or pacing that is demanded from day-1 crafting, and with the change, you're proposing I just simply cannot see a casual player purchasing gear on the first day (Definitely on the weekend maybe). Nor do I personally see it as a worthwhile endeavor, I would just find myself bouncing to other markets at that point.

What they could do on the other hand is implement the raw requisite materials for the crafted gear prior, and then just release the actual recipes on the raid patch itself. This would be exactly similar to what they do 4.0 > 4.05, and 5.0 > 5.05.

gear will still sell regardless
its new and people are gonna want it for the extreme.
demand will still be there and most hard core raid teams have crafters to make gear anyway.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

The reason why it’s one week is not because it requires a week, it’s because that’s the logical timeframe between patches on a Tuesday.

Also, the reason why (as many many people have said) we want a delay is so we can do a few things. Enjoy the story at our own pace, craft raid gear without feeling rushed, enjoy side story, do the new trial.

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Hmm okay you can still enjoy doing other thing even if the savage content is out nobody is rushing you . They are some people that are just playing the game for savage content they don't care about other stuff , just because they are a minority doesn't mean Square enix will ignore them . But i guess we will see in the future . I'm not against a delay tbh but 1 week is already just too much

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Why not? If you’re not raiding then you A: don’t need the gear in the first place because SE has a habit of making all content item level synced to a stupid level and B: you don’t need it because you’re not even raiding savage. If you are raiding savage then all it does is allow you time to organise crafted gear

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That's an irrelevant argument. It's not about need because raiders don't need to clear week 1 either.

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Originally Posted by Waterscape

Hmm okay you can still enjoy doing other thing even if the savage content is out nobody is rushing you . They are some people that are just playing the game for savage content they don't care about other stuff , just because they are a minority doesn't mean Square enix will ignore them . But i guess we will see in the future . I'm not against a delay tbh but 1 week is already just too much

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So you want SE to ignore the majority in favour of the minority of story-skipping raiders? There are enough raiders and world first groups that care about story as well.

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Originally Posted by linayar

That's an irrelevant argument. It's not about need because raiders don't need to clear week 1 either.

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What in gods name are you talking about? They make/use crafting gear. The tome gear isn’t used at all since you can only get 450 points in the first week. So I reiterate my point, you don’t need the gear if you’re not raiding anyway so delaying it makes zero difference to you and the content you do. The raiders don’t need it straight away because frankly, a single accessory isn’t gonna make or break their week one clears

If I think about it...
A delay could have some bad side effects.

Like, all the casuals who don't have a high priority for raiding will be ready to jump into it when it will be available.
That means for me, a PF raider, that I will have these casuals in the first fight and it would make it harder to clear and takes more different groups.

Right now it is a lot of fun to raid week 1 because just "good" players set the priority so high on it.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

What in gods name are you talking about?

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That it's about want, not need.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

So you want SE to ignore the majority in favour of the minority of story-skipping raiders? There are enough raiders and world first groups that care about story as well.

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??? they already are

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I personally care less for the profits, and more about the challenge, or pacing that is demanded from day-1 crafting

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I don't see much of a day 1 challenge sadly. I already have my very-safe-estimate macro ready to go 1-100% and a stack of Chili Crab and Syrup standing by, so it's really just a case of doing a few rounds of the timed nodes, groundwork the mats and clicking go.

Sales are not going to be that great either, I'm surprised people have forgotten last set. Crafting is easy so most statics have at least 4+ players prepped, ready to go and far more raiders are self-sufficient.
Bots were able to crack last seasons Expert crafts on release and have had melded Aesthete sets for months so they will be able to churn out pieces from the start. I predict prices will have crashed before a week is over.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

What they could do on the other hand is implement the raw requisite materials for the crafted gear prior, and then just release the actual recipes on the raid patch itself. This would be exactly similar to what they do 4.0 > 4.05, and 5.0 > 5.05.

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I'd be fine with that.