Nidhogg!?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You need to remove these things from FFXIV then:

-Leveling
-Crafting
-Ability to make gil
-Ability to spend gil
-Questing
-Monsters
-Don't incorporate PvP
-Targetable triggers (i.e if there's an event that requires x amount of people to touch to get a special gift, i.e treasure hunt, this is botted as well)

Face it, HNMs don't create botting, MMORPGs in general creates botting,

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Yup, and then some...

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

HNM create content for bot only, i'm sorry, but you can't really compet with a bot, only them are available to enjoy the end game content. (well, not all HNM, but the most interesting and have long pop timer).

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HNM content does not create bot-only circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Here we go more exaggerations.


Does not affect my gameplay.

Does not affect my gameplay.

Does not affect my gameplay

Does not affect my gameplay

Does not affect my gameplay

Does not affect my gameplay normally.
Can affect my gameplay if we include HNMS with long timers and claims.

You cannot bot in pvp or you will get pwned. Does not affect my gameplay.

Does not affect my gameplay either.



Never said it did. HNMs is just the only circumstance that severely affects everyone's gameplay and prevents others from accessing content they *should* have access to. You entirely missed the point. Botting in every other circumstance is just personal cheating, which in no way affects me at all. Add HNM's and botting is cheating that *does* affect me and everyone else who's trying to compete fairly.

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Aren't you the naive one. Nearly everything Elexia listed has some direct impact to everyone else's gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

you can upgrade them.. all relics and mythic is upgradable.

But that is a different game. This is FFXIV and we are no where near endgame yet.

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Aye i knew that but why have it when something better is there it just became and 200 mil paper weight....

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Originally Posted by Firon

Aye i knew that but why have it when something better is there it just became and 200 mil paper weight....

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Or continue the hardcore gameplay and upgrade it?

I hear 99 Relics are so time consuming even the most dedicated of players don't want todo them. Talk about exclusive, eh?

i was so lazy in XI im thinking of going back and soloing everything at 99 XD

I have a feeling Nidhogg will play a more signifigant role in the game beyond a simple HNM. But my guess is he will be a storyline boss and a major HNM you can fight over and over again in an instance if given the right items to enter.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I would love to see a HNM flan/pudding personally.

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Look at the pudding food description from the starlight celebration 2010 recipes ;)

love watching everyone cry BOT at the mention of nm's

I would like to see more Nm's with spawn conditions like weather or maybe having to trade a rare/ex item to a ??? to get them to pop, and once it does, its already claimed by the person's party that traded the item. Plenty of ways they could to do this that have nothing in common with the current system for killing nm's.

Someone in the HNM thread just brought this up: what if every claimer for 5 seconds (or so) after pop got their name put in a pot and had one selected at random for actual claim. This seems like it would take care of botting. What do you think?

This needs more http://fafnir.ytmnd.com/