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Originally Posted by Mavrias

If you think smoking and self mutilation/ suicidal actions are the same i don't have anything to argue with you about. There's just something wrong with you. You're taking your anti-smoking stance a tad far. Smoking any sort of substance is not akin to self mutilation or suicide. You really need to not make comparisons to things you clearly know nothing about/ haven't seen someone go through.

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So you still can't offer any reasons why I'm wrong. Alright! I equated smoking to self-harm because it meets the definition. Merriam-Webster:

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Definition of self-harm
: the act of purposely hurting oneself (as by cutting or burning the skin) as an emotional coping mechanism

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Reasons people smoke:

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Feeling down or sad
Having trouble sleeping
Feeling irritable‚ on edge‚ grouchy
Having trouble thinking clearly and concentrating
Feeling restless and jumpy
Slower heart rate
Feeling more hungry or gaining weight

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You could argue that self-cutting is a more severe form of self-harm and often accompanied by more serious mental problems than smoking. On the other hand, smoking causes irreversible damage to internal organs, can physically hurt people around you, is more difficult to stop and shortens the life span. Both are bad in their own right and share the element of being destructive habits, something our characters are not yet able to express with emotes. And why should we be able to do that? Smoking is a more culturally acceptable form of self-harm, but this is actually a point against including it in the game and other forms of entertainment.

Getting back to the original question: yes I would like a smoking emote. Many NPC's already smoke.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

I've known multiple people (myself included) who have gone through suicidal self harm and I'm sure they wouldn't give 2 damns about what that user posted. Don't look for outrage where there's none.

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Quite frankly, i dont know you, and i dont know your friends. But i do know me and mine, and i think they would also find that comparison stupid and insensitive. I'm not looking for outrage, i'm giving my opinion. Feel free to disagree. I'm not looking for your support tbh.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

So you still can't offer any reasons why I'm wrong. Alright! I equated smoking to self-harm because it meets the definition. Merriam-Webster:



Reasons people smoke:



You could argue that self-cutting is a more severe form of self-harm and often accompanied by more serious mental problems than smoking. On the other hand, smoking causes irreversible damage to internal organs, can physically hurt people around you, is more difficult to stop and shortens the life span. Both are bad in their own right and share the element of being destructive habits, something our characters are not yet able to express with emotes. And why should we be able to do that? Smoking is a more culturally acceptable form of self-harm, but this is actually a point against including it in the game and other forms of entertainment.

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um lol
1st of all, who cares about culturally culture changes every 4 years anyways so really...
Second, there are other reasons that people smoke... Hell, I Occasionally smoke after Test/ or doing something that took a lot of thinking to relax so that right there disproves all of that statement.
Third. Many native cultures smoked from pipes as rituals and religions moments.
4th... Well, I shouldn't go into it, but I'll just leave it at there is no such thing as mental illness that's what people who are inferior to those of us who are better than them that they place that term on people that are diffrent in any aspect.
5th. Its noones business at all rather its self harm or not if your not living in that persons body you have no right to judge or be in their business and should piss off and mind your own business.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

So you still can't offer any reasons why I'm wrong. Alright! I equated smoking to self-harm because it meets the definition. Merriam-Webster:



Reasons people smoke:



You could argue that self-cutting is a more severe form of self-harm and often accompanied by more serious mental problems than smoking. On the other hand, smoking causes irreversible damage to internal organs, can physically hurt people around you, is more difficult to stop and shortens the life span. Both are bad in their own right and share the element of being destructive habits, something our characters are not yet able to express with emotes. And why should we be able to do that? Smoking is a more culturally acceptable form of self-harm, but this is actually a point against including it in the game and other forms of entertainment.

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I can list a million and one things that can be considered self harm by your frankly vague definition. A bad habit is fundamentally different from self-mutilation.

Damn, man, didn't know tobacco was the only thing that can be smoked. Especially since thats not the plant even listed in game as being what NPCs use. Also nice job pretending that those "reasons" you listed weren't literally ripped directly from the withdrawal symptoms section of your source. That's just dishonest academic practice, bro.

If a smoking emote is implemented, you don't have to use it. I don't know who gave ya cancer with their second hand smoke but i promise you, you can't get it from pixels in a video game.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Quite frankly, i dont know you, and i dont know your friends. But i do know me and mine, and i think they would also find that comparison stupid and insensitive. I'm not looking for outrage, i'm giving my opinion. Feel free to disagree. I'm not looking for your support tbh.

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It's fine to have an opinion, but you should at least present it in a respectful manner and accept the fact that others will disagree. Getting emotional about it doesn't give it more credibility, in fact it reduces credibility imo.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Did... Did you just literally call cutting yourself and smoking a pipe equivalent? That's actually just insulting.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

If you think smoking and self mutilation/ suicidal actions are the same i don't have anything to argue with you about. There's just something wrong with you. You're taking your anti-smoking stance a tad far. Smoking any sort of substance is not akin to self mutilation or suicide. You really need to not make comparisons to things you clearly know nothing about/ haven't seen someone go through.

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I don't really see this as simply presenting your opinion, but rather an attempt to take moral high ground and demonize the person you're replying to.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

It's fine to have an opinion, but you should at least present it in a respectful manner and accept the fact that others will disagree. Getting emotional about it doesn't give it more credibility, in fact it reduces credibility imo.

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I don't really see this as simply presenting your opinion, but rather an attempt to take moral high ground and demonize the person you're replying to.

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If that's trying to take a moral high ground or demonizing to you I don't know what to say to you other than "i'm sorry you don't like my opinion or tone, but i'm not going to stop."

If you also think those things are the same, that's you. I'm going to continue to vehemently disagree, openly and vocally.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

If that's trying to take a moral high ground or demonizing to you I don't know what to say to you other than "i'm sorry you don't like my opinion or tone, but i'm not going to stop."

If you also think those things are the same, that's you. I'm going to continue to vehemently disagree, openly and vocally.

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If that's the way you talk normally and present your opinions, and it's an accepted way for discourse, then I might have misunderstood your intentions. In all honesty though I kind of doubt it, but I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

As an aside, I actually don't agree with the person you were replying to. Just felt like they were being treated unfairly, that's all.

These must be some good mole hills for y'all to be dyin' on them.

I'd say the distinction between self harm and smoking is, as the quoted Merriam-Webster definition states, purpose versus consequence. The person who commits self harm is purposefully harming themselves to fulfil their desired relief. The smoker's injury comes from a consequence they choose to either ignore or accept as a a trade, rather than the act it's self.

You could make a similar argument about any form of self gratification with health consequences, like eating in a less than perfectly healthy manner because food tastes good.