Expectations are ruining this game

I always go in blind. I find it fun to learn as I go and the story doesn't get ruined for me that way. However, I've never gotten yelled at or kicked. I try to tell if I'm new to a run but don't always have time. If I run into someone new to a run I'm always happy to let them know what will happen. Maybe people are just nicer on Primal?

If I want to do Ex or harder stuff, I usually make my own party from friends in my FC or my LS. That way, no one gets angry if anyone goes in blind, or is just new to the game.

I personally like to go blind but if I'm with a dr and not a pf that I made stating its a blind run and someone starts explaining I dont hold it against them. There are plenty of ways to go in blind *cough trust system cough*

If I am working those that are new unless asked I will wait for first or second wipe before explaining

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

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From my experiences, this isn't really the case outside of the endgame content. Even in the end game content people tend to be lenient as long as the group is making progress and not wiping to the same thing every single time. Its fairly easy to spot those that are trying from those that are not.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

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I agree with this a lot, and outside of a few bad apples, I never really saw many ever bring it up. Most of the fight mechanics for any dungeon/trial can be learned fairly quickly by someone who is trying. Now getting the patterns and timings down for the really hard stuff... that is a different story. Which is one of the times I might recommend someone go and research a fight to help them get that down quicker after they have experienced it a time or two.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

So I started playing this game about 6 months ago with my fiance. Neither of us knew much of anything about it and that was a huge part of why I was so excited to play it.

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

I absolutely hate this bullshit. Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

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It is not expected, but sure people that get annoyed with new players are a thing. Just have to take the experience on the chin and get back up dust yourself off and try again.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

Like I said, I understand the frustration. But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know. If you can't handle new people not knowing, then you need to reevaluate yourself. Or like. Explain how it works before jumping in. The game literally tells you that there are new people when you start.

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Also you have to take into consideration that just because the first time bonus message pops up that also does not mean the group in question is obligated to tell someone how each encounter plays out, or be willing to deal with a new player. This does not mean people should be rude to one another but alas jerks will be jerks.

Op it really boils down is use communication and learn to be okay with failing. You're new. Most people will be fine if your new. If you wipe once after going blind perhaps ask for tips. If you don't mind being spoiled by mechs then ask before you pull. If someone as an issue after using good communication skills, you are a couple, vote kick. But also work on growing a thicker skin. I had to do it. We all had to do it. Bc being panicky and worried about low end content will shelve the confidence you need to improve.

I watched Videos before doing any dungeons or trials. It's just common courtesy xD.

Since i was playing on early access, i had to use Trust on the first go around on every dungeon so i know what to expect xD. Trials, there were fanfest videos for Titania. The other 2 i had to do it blind since there were no videos about it xD.

Dungeons no one cares lol especially when it's a new xpac of course you won't know everything.

Now savage and ex trails is another story lol don't join wasting people time unless they say blind run. At least watch something lol it doesn't hurt. Although this is really my thought more towards savage, as ex trails are easy you can figure those out without a vid

I'm good enough of a healer to carry you, and good enough of a dps to kill things to make the fight a net gain. I never tell a tank how to tank. I have a preferred way for them to tank, which is to pull wall to wall, and it really annoys me when they don't, but it's not my wish to make my tank uncomfortable or to start an argument.

One of the funnest things to do is to tank brand new content. Day 1 of patch, as early as possible. No one can complain, because no one knows what they're doing. Everyone gets to find out (or die trying), what to do.

World of Darkness, first group was a fail, but we pushed on even when we knew we probably didn't have enough time, because we might figure out more mechanics and make the next run a success.

I've never looked up dungeons or trials before doing them the first time. I'm a good enough player to figure it out.

EX trials or savage raids though? Absolutely I watch videos for those. Because wasting people's time is rude and that level of content typically requires everyone to be on the same page going in.

No one really expects everyone to rush to youtube to look up the latest dungeon or raid guide for something just released (and really, dungeons hardly need guides anyway), and to be honest because the ilevel sync function is so loose with trials and raids a group can typically cheese their way through the first and even second tier of old content without too much trouble.

When you get to the final tier of content in an expansion however the minimum ilevel requirement actually catches up to the maximum ilevel of the expac and can no longer be easily cheesed by out hp'ing mechanics and hitting the boss hard, and since synced down gear loses all materia benefits as well your stats are actually lower than you would think going into these.
In this case even just looking up the big no-no mechanics about a fight is a courtesy everyone else there will appreciate, the unfortunate enough to get thrown into a tier three fight who were just hopping on to the roulette for a quick exp reward.

As for EX content.... that's up to your group.