Housing demolition timer need to be changed! Sitting on your property needs to count.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except the OP was none of those. I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a house in those circumstances. The OP was simply too lazy/didn't care enough to enter his house once, during the 45 day window, when he was standing in the lawn most of the time. That's 100% his fault.

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Thanks, I was gonna say exactly the same. +1

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except the OP was none of those. I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a house in those circumstances. The OP was simply too lazy/didn't care enough to enter his house once, during the 45 day window, when he was standing in the lawn most of the time. That's 100% his fault.

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So him getting stung is worth it? Those groups being affected is fine just because it got the OP? That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

So him getting stung is worth it? Those groups being affected is fine just because it got the OP? That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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I never said it was worth it. This is the way housing functions now, and was changed to function this way based on player feedback, after all plots were bought up and held when players quit the game. Everyone knows this going into housing, or at least those who have done their research would.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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Perhaps consider that housing isn't really top priority for people in those situations, and no one is sitting in their actual home destroyed by a hurricane thinking "Aw man, I wish I could log on and stare at my XIV house." The housing demo timer is paused anyway for major crisis.

I know soldiers and marines, and ya know- they intentionally don't play XIV despite me recommending because they know situations like this can happen. So yeah. Nah. No sympathy for OP here.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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Things change. He said that before housing was released. After it was released, they had to adjust their plan, as players demanded unused plots be released for people to purchase. This is why they no longer talk about stuff that is not set in stone, or give us hints of what is in the works. Because people DON'T LET GO.

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFXIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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I'm sure you've never changed your mind about anything you've said, in your entire life.
... right?

As Valkyrie_Lenneth had already stated, things change. People seem to cling to the statements of "There will never be a system like Ultima Online" or "Personal housing will be cheaper than FC housing", even though said statements were made very early in ARR's lifespan. Statements made by a much less experienced Yoshi-P, who has no doubt learned a lot from those mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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So are we going to completely ignore the fact that someone was literally sitting in front of his house's door for an entire month and two weeks and not even once bothered to click on the door? It's something that takes 30 seconds! It's not a matter of attacking someone or not, it's a matter of someone complaining about something that could have been prevented if they actually cared about it, and they had an opportunity to prevent it every single day because they were not unsubbed. If they like the ward more than the fact they have to keep a house then ask a friend to share their estate. No obligations, same purpose.

OP: My house was demolished because i sat outside it for over 45 days and never once entered it! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Part of the community: It's your own fault for not entering the house once in 45 days...you had the ability to, you just didn't.

Other part of the community: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE HE SHOULD KEEP HIS HOUSE FOREVER RABBLE RABBLE

That sums up this entire thread in a nutshell.

Can we let this die now?

I do advocate for a change in housing sure... shorten the demolition timer to 24 hours. And delete all items when the plot is demolished (so zero way to pick up the lost items). That would esnure that there are plenty plots free. Want to go on holiday? Well tough luck, say goodbye to your house. As well as charge (in gil) 100'000 a day rent for a small plot, 1'000'000 a day for medium, and 10'000'000 a day rent for large plots. Miss one payment, and goodbye goes the house. They wouldn't need instanced housing then (since they seem to be so steadfastly set on no instanced housing).

For the record, I'm being sarcastic here, I actually believe we should have instanced housing. They need to sit down and make the changes required. Perhaps they could start by making the supposed Ishgard housing instanced? Then make changes to the code in a sandboxed environment bit by bit, until they figure out exactly what needs changing in the other areas to convert them to instanced housing areas (or perhaps leave them as is and just make future housing areas instanced, or perhaps add an "Instanced" version of each of the original 3 housing areas?). The data stored for each house would likely be a megabyte at most per house. Storage is cheap. I think it can be done.