A question to all WoW players coming to XIV

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Originally Posted by Reeereee

I believe terms like weeb originate on 4chan. Which means asking why will only lead down a rabbit hole of degeneracy. It's really best not to know.

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The original is weaboo which is someone that wants to be Japanese. In that case I can see how someone would say this game is a bit weaboo since every race is basically an idealized JP body style having no hair, extremely pretty and slightly androgynous, etc. with high pitch kyaaa~ voices. The game is heavily based on a ideal european western setting from JP perspective but that does not mean it feels like it lol.

I guess it honestly just comes down to personal preference. FFXIV definitely has a more "Anime" JRPG artistic style while WoW has a 80's cartoon art style similar to He-Man. XIV has more "realistic" body proportions (I use realistic very loosely) while WoW has a very "Muscle Builder" proportion. I wouldn't say XIV is "too cute" but to be fair a lot of the females are very "cute" or "adorable" where as 80% of the male characters are "pretty" or "very handsome". It is hard to make an ugly character unless you REALLY go out of your way.

To each their own.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

XIV is still in the "main storyline" that was planned from the start of 2.0, and the existence of other worlds has been built up for multiple expansions now (I know it was in HW+SB, but can't 100% remember if it was hinted at much in ARR), so it's not really a shark-jumping moment like in WoW there they used another world as just a way to bring back dead characters (again) so we could kill them.

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It all started in patch 3.1, As Goes Light, So Goes Darkness when the Hyur makes his first appearance. The Official patch or the WOD battle and reference their problems was patch 3.4, Soul Surrender.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...l_Fantasy_XIV)

I donno if cute is the word since I don't find au ra to be cute? But I do not enjoy playing characters that look like that. This is actually the first game I've played a male character for my main, and it's in part because the female characters are all too doll-like for my comfort; even the roes have porcelain faces. I used to play orcs and undead though, so that's where I'm coming from.

What is refreshing is being able to play guys that are cleaned up instead of hunched over and drooling.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

One of FF's main strengths is it's great community.
That's ok. They can stay away as that type of toxicity is not needed here.

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You know.. people always say that.. but i've seen parts of the player base here be MUCH more rabid and xenophobic of anything that's not their clique; and everyone else is toxic.
Not that there aren't great people here. I've met them and hang out with them; but the community isn't perfect like people try to say it is and other MMOs do have good communities and aren't as toxic as people attempt to claim.

As a self-proclaimed veteran of the MMORPG genre itself, with many years of having played a plethora of MMO's- World of Warcraft included; i can say with confidence that anyone looking at Final Fantasy XIV at a surface-level and dismissing it for what they see- to me that seems like they are missing out on something special- this game is a real time investment, and one cannot just experience whatever they want without that investment.

I've played World of Warcraft since pre-TBC (kinda missed the Vanilla train), and i can say it's a game that doesn't quite require the investment on the scale that FFXIV does; so if one were to look at World of Warcraft at a surface-level, they'd be able to get a clear sense of what they can do with their time right then and there- it's really not that in-depth of a game, and never has been- it just has a HUGE amount of content, but content isn't depth.

So it's okey if people want to not try something because the visual aesthetics doesn't appeal to them; if that is the real reason at all- but using short answers like "it's cute" or "it's anime";lead me to suspicion that using said excuses is a lot sexier then being honest and saying: "it's just too much of a time investment, and i just rather play World of Warcraft instead"

Either way it's fine, but i feel like people are lying to themselves when they dismiss things in this fashion.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

You know.. people always say that.. but i've seen parts of the player base here be MUCH more rabid and xenophobic of anything that's not their clique; and everyone else is toxic.
Not that there aren't great people here. I've met them and hang out with them; but the community isn't perfect like people try to say it is and other MMOs do have good communities and aren't as toxic as people attempt to claim.

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As someone who has been a part of multiple online communities I can say with confidence that there will ALWAYS be some form of a toxic group if said group is above 5 people, and usually still has atleast one toxic person then too. Overall XIV has been better than other games IMO, but not the best of the best. But its up there.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

As someone who has been a part of multiple online communities I can say with confidence that there will ALWAYS be some form of a toxic group if said group is above 5 people, and usually still has atleast one toxic person then too. Overall XIV has been better than other games IMO, but not the best of the best. But its up there.

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That's what i mean. There are great people here, i won't ever say there's not. I'm just saying that there's this myth going around that XIV is just a great community, and it unfortunately feeds into acting like people who aren't part of it right now are toxic or need to be looked at differently (just look at how people are talking about everyone who plays other games here).
Like the whole "WoW Refugee" thing. People would act like they're taking actual pity on people, or like they'd just now seen the light and come to play xiv; some posts and conversations i saw were borderline creepy cult levels.
It's just one of those myths that does more harm than good.

A lot of things really. I was one of them, a friend of mine wanted me to play for years, but I didn't pick it up until HW. I'll get right into the down and dirty. Anything JRPG, or - Final Fantasy - in particular is gonna have a negative ring to a lot of these people, including myself. I do not play Final Fantasy games, I play this one. I have never touched a single other FF game in my life, and the only Japanese games I ever played were mainstream Nintendo if anything.

I can give you an eye into it from my perspective. I still don't particularly like the art direction this game has, and this game is overly cutesy in a lot of ways even if you don't think it is. The elves look dumb - you have an over abundance of cat girls (now bunny girls - trust me they roll their eyes at this), the races just generally look dumb (Roe), the animations i.e. Hyur midlander female look overly exaggerated, stupid hairstyles, male humans look like they are 17-18 year old, effeminate male characters, many characters have "emo" hairstyles, exaggerated fight sequences, MANY idiotic looking outfits, and the kicker the game looks Japanese. If someone is already averse to japanese style you just won't get them into this, simple as that. I play it for the (imaginary) friends and gameplay; it satisfies my MMORPG itch, but trust me if there was a good western MMORPG out there (that I liked) I would be playing that instead. People look at the Shadowbringers teaser and they don't think it looks cool, they think it looks "weeb".

Yes, I'll freely admit that I am a hypocrite since I actively play mostly Au Ra/Miqo'te. But hey, "when in Rome"! ;)

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Originally Posted by Makeda

People like Asmongold can rack up several hundred thousand views within minutes or hours of posting. If Asmongold announced he was joining FFXIV, whatever server he landed on would be the new Balmung within a day. He's got the ability to pull a huge swath of current and former WoW-players his way...

But he seems to be favoring ESO right now (been a few days since I checked though), so the WoW community is more likely to leave WoW for ESO now than for FFXIV.


I don't think he's written off FFXIV yet though. Asmongold is desperate right now to find a new game... and he's basically lashing out as he looks. He's half talking himself into things and half talking himself out.
- He's really useful to watch if you want to understand what that community as a whole is going through right now... feeling betrayed and not knowing where to turn, and realizing that all these other choices are there, but not quite your space...

If we could get him to show a level 50 or 60 raid on his stream, as he played it... he'd be sold. But at level 1... those catgirls and lalas can be offputting if you're not used to that sort of thing (and my historic main in this game is a catgirl, this isn't me knocking FFXIV, just noting that it's a pretty strange environment for those not used to anime tropes).

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I'm rather thankful he prefers ESO and eschews FF XIV his fanbase is something we can do entirely without thank you very much.