DRK changes from Prelim notes

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Originally Posted by Llus

As far as DP; that's a straight up nerf. Bad enough that it had the same cost as a DA with 40 less potency for single target (using DP in raids is and will probably remain pretty much worthless unless you don't have a ninja and are only using in your opener for the additional aggro - even then, using half your MP for a 280 potency attack just to get the extra enmity.... ugh)

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i know that current Dark Passenger is a dps gain in aoe situations. 3 times abyssal drain on 3 enemys is less damage and less mana efficient than DA Dark Passenger and one Souleater combo. so yes, it is a nerf. and especially a nerf to DRKs mitigation kit in low level dungeons. i am relying on that aoe blind before i get Quietus and TBN and can spam DA Abyssal Drain.

but however, i am really excited for the enmity bonus, because one of the biggest problems i have with DRK is grabbing adds when i am off-tank and this will sure help me.

and as i understand it the enmity bonus is baseline on Dark Passenger.

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Originally Posted by Llus

Yea every DA attack is a +140, but you're still looking at a +140 off-global (same as C&S) that during your BW phase is going to give you a nice bonus. You're also going to be making up something like 1800 mp every 120s with soul survivor as well as the extra MP you'll be getting during your BW phase with an additional +140 potency on your plunge (which you should be able to get twice during BW). We'll need to see how everything lines up, but napkin math is putting DA+Plunge clearly in the bonus room at least during BW.

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i... don't understand this part.

under blood weapon your speed is increased - not your damage per se. and for every weapon attack you use (combos, plunge, carve and spit, bloodspiller, quietus) you will get some mana. you will not get more mana when you do more damage or just for using dark arts.

so yes, you are getting a bonus for using Plunge under Blood Weapon. but if you have enhanced it with Dark Arts or not doesn't matter.

also the blood weapon duration is 15 seconds, 23 with delirium. the recast of plunge is 30 seconds, you will not fit 2 of them into one blood weapon window.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

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Point is, community is mad because they changed DRK massively from HW to SB for no apparent reason. Where Dark Arts used to be a fun, core mechanic, it now is a boring, spammy mechanic, shoved down our throats. Again, for no apparent reason.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

*"Dark passenger has no reason to be on my hotbar". Fixd
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*"Drk has no enmity maintenance in ST rotation" Fixd (plunge)

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I'm going to go ahead and say double fixed since both dark passenger and plunge gained enmity modifiers, though dark passenger isn't something to spam on single targets we see a great aoe tool in this change and solidifies it as a gain whenever there are two or more targets. I think this is a great list of changes, and I'm really looking forward to trying them out next week!

I especially love the idea of trying to time my sole survivor with tbn, shield 20% of my HP and then restore 20% of my HP (and sometimes 30%), I can see this as being very engaging. Sole Survivor sounds like an awesome change!

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Yeah you can get over that lol; this is XIV's Dark Knight.

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Which is really Rune Fencer posing as Dark Knight. Really, all they need to do is replace darkness with elemental asethics and we're done as nothing about the job screams Dark Knight other than it's "dark". Other than that it feels like a Mystic Knight went to Hot Topic and decided to put on some edgy clothing and call itself Shadow.

Blood weapon -> Magic Sword (we'll go with Fire since SE loves to use fire as the main method of attacking for magic.) | Aspir Blade (Bravely Default)
Dark mind -> Runic (FF6) / Magic shell | Barrier ( FFV)
Abyssal Drain -> Something Billzard.
Shadow Wall -> Fire wall (Bravey Default and your copy move of WAR's Vengeance but with fire.)
Salted Earth -> Some elemental move, let's go with Wind element just to mix it up a bit.
Blood price -> Shouldn't be in the game at all as nothing in any Final Fantasy has anything related to Blood price and the move should be baked into Salted Earth so that healer's Holy spam doesn't kill our ability to AoE down trash mobs, it would also be nice since Delirum then could extend the DoT damage from salted earth. But do you know who does have a blood price and where it comes from!?!?!?! -- Tactics A2 http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/S...de_(Tactics_A2)
Sole Survivor -> Memento (Bravey Default)
Quetis -> Phantom Blade ( Bravery Default )
That other blood related move -> Maim blade.

Parry based tank (as it was initially introduced ) -> Obtained from Rune Fencer in FF11, whoms main purpose was a parry / evasion tank that could reduce magical damage based on the runes harbored.

It's actually funny that they made Dark Knight into a magical tank and a evasion tank because in quite a few games it has the lowest magical defense and in some cases ( such as FF tatics), it has 0 evasion.

So as I said before, FF14 Dark Knight is only Dark Knight in name and astheics alone. Most of it's abilities and traits are made up of Rune Fencer , Mystic Knight, Runic Knight abilities (All the same job given different names through out the series).

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Shadow Wall I'd say is pretty well fixed; yeah it's still inferior to Vengeance but superior to Sentinel now that it has the proper CD time (Sent's CD sucks, I'd rather have it be weaker and shorter CD). It'd be great if it got an additional effect too (HP regen might be cool since healing from dark magic is their thing), but I'll still take what we're getting pretty happily.

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Yeah, about a year later which should have been something done coming into the expansion. We won't be able to get anything that pertains to Dark Knight actually being Dark Knight until 5.0. Which is a shame since they cut out the standard 3 dungeons each patch phase "to work on other things". Which has been alternate zones that have a high mix review and ended up being another F.A.T.E grind and soon to be palace of the dead 2.0.

All in all, the defensive cool downs is what should have been done a long time ago. The enmity increase is nice, but not what people where complaining about. A synergized Move set that isn't clunking and actually feels like a Dark Knight is the main complaint that a lot of people have. That and the fact it has no niche in the tanking trio.

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Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising

though dark passenger isn't something to spam on single targets we see a great aoe tool in this change and solidifies it as a gain whenever there are two or more targets.!

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Maybe I'm missing something on dark passenger, but why not spam it on single target? Instead of using an OGCD on DA to add 140 potency to (insert skill) just use an OGCD of the same MP cost to add 140 potency+Enmity (Or double up and do 2 DA worth of MP for 2 DA worth of damage+Enmity). I don't see why this isn't a complete replacement for 1-2 DA every time its up (mp allowing) while tanking. Of course not at the expense of a C&S/Grit DA etc that are worth more than the standard 140.

Any time Passenger is up and you would use a DA for plain 140, why the heck wouldn't you use Passenger?

Side note: Cant wait to see what the enmity mods are for plunge and passenger. I will definitely be playing Drk for pretty much everything except my savage raid static now.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Maybe I'm missing something on dark passenger, but why not spam it on single target?

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That would be absolutely awesome if that was the case, I think that's what a lot of people want. But slashing debuff is a thing so it'll amount to a slight loss. Much less than before, so it's great for pulling probably and snap aggro, but not to be used on cooldown if you can help it.
Maybe it's just me, but I would love to have more ways to use MP like this other than dark arts and TBN. I liked having that priority system of using MP and dark arts in Heavensward, we don't get that anymore aside from Carve and Spit.

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

That would be absolutely awesome if that was the case, I think that's what a lot of people want. But slashing debuff is a thing so it'll amount to a slight loss. Much less than before, so it's great for pulling probably and snap aggro, but not to be used on cooldown if you can help it.
Maybe it's just me, but I would love to have more ways to use MP like this other than dark arts and TBN. I liked having that priority system of using MP and dark arts in Heavensward, we don't get that anymore aside from Carve and Spit.

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Derp. Completely brainfarted on slashing. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Any time Passenger is up and you would use a DA for plain 140, why the heck wouldn't you use Passenger?

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i wouldn't use it because...

- i want to save it for the enmity bonus when grabbing adds wich will spawn soon
- slashing debuff is running and i will miss extra damage when using dark passenger instead of dark arts
- i am simply so used to spamming dark arts now and ignoring dark passenger, that using dark passenger will break my muscle memory ^^

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Derp. Completely brainfarted on slashing. Thanks!

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No problem. To be honest, I'd be completely 100% happy with Dark Passenger if it was as you mentioned. So close! Maybe reduce the dark arts potency compared to the baseline so it's not "too strong" for AoE if that's an issue.

These points aside, it is great as a mana dump now and in that purpose is nearly always useful.