Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

At the current state, You've to first accept that your role is nowhere near to be as useful as other classes. Hence, you don't play caster, you play "4th slot" : MCH, RDM, SMN and now MNK according to the balances.

"SMN Looking for a static, can play RDM or MCH if needed".
"BLM looking for a static, can play whatever if needed".

Now, you may say it's not relevant if you don't go world prog or speedkills but again I repeat, perceived value. Also, there's a "progression value" which is a basic component in an MMO, find a way to explain that you're role is not near to be optimal, that your progression value to the team is not that good, just try.

I know that there's always going to be META and balances issue, but the difference existing at the moment is so big that it gives little to no room to justify the use of some classes and 4.2 won't change that.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Maybe we have a different opinion of what unplayable means, but no jobs in this game is/was unplayable, there are different grades of optimal, but not unplayable.

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Did you actually play BLM in 4.0? It was absolutely awful.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

That said, you know as much as me that the only way to bandaid fix us to be somewhat relevant in a meta composition without ANY synergy is by overbuffing our dmg which as you have stated in another topic it was not going to happen.

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Wrong. Our damage doesn't need to be overbuffed. It needs to be buffed to a level that makes it worth taking over utility. That isn't called overbuffing.

The reason SE won't do it is because they hate casters and they hate selfish DPS.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Is it only Summoner? If it's an issue with Dots, then I imagine everyone goes down a notch.

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Dot's are one thing, Radient shield is another that is being fixed.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

I'm aware of how the 'tool' works. If it was unclear, my use of past tense there referred to expansion launch, not any current debate about the merits of Bliz 4.

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Blizzard IV skipping was not viable in 4.0 - it is viable with current BLM after the 4.05 changes

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

but I still would like to know if my overall raid contribution will be fine when I join a pf.

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No, it won't.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Did you actually play BLM in 4.0? It was absolutely awful.



Wrong. Our damage doesn't need to be overbuffed. It needs to be buffed to a level that makes it worth taking over utility. That isn't called overbuffing.

The reason SE won't do it is because they hate casters and they hate selfish DPS.

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I did play it at the start and I also played in the past worse jobs that were legit unplayable, while the 4.0 rotation was not good it was far from beign considered unplayable at least from my standards.
For it's dmg to overtake utility jobs they need to overbuff the dmg compared to what it currently does and what they usually do hence why I say overbuff

Also now you are beign unreasonable, I understand you are unhappy about the patch but beign spiteful in that way is juvenile at best

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Blizzard IV skipping was not viable in 4.0 - it is viable with current BLM after the 4.05 changes

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That's not even the point I was making. Those discussions about Blizzard IV were taking place prior to 4.05, and they were taking place because of the state of the job / design of it at launch which was what my original comment was about.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I did play it at the start and I also played in the past worse jobs that were legit unplayable, while the 4.0 rotation was not good it was far from beign considered unplayable at least from my standards.

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You are absolutely incorrect. The class was absolutely awful at 4.0, and that sentiment is echoed by pretty much every top BLM player.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

For it's dmg to overtake utility jobs they need to overbuff the dmg compared to what it currently does and what they usually do hence why I say overbuff

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If you give Black Mages enough raw damage to be equal to utility jobs, its not overbuffing.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Also now you are beign unreasonable, I understand you are unhappy about the patch but beign spiteful in that way is juvenile at best

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Personally i'd say the one being unreasonable is the one using personal insults as a point of debate.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

That's not even the point I was making. Those discussions about Blizzard IV were taking place prior to 4.05, and they were taking place because of the state of the job / design of it at launch which was what my original comment was about.

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Thanks for the clarification

blm 3.0 and 4.0 were both broken.... 4.0 not quite as much as 3.0, but still broken

smn 4.2 could have used a nerf, but why so major??..

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

You are absolutely incorrect. The class was absolutely awful at 4.0, and that sentiment is echoed by pretty much every top BLM player.


If you give Black Mages enough raw damage to be equal to utility jobs, its not overbuffing.



Personally i'd say the one being unreasonable is the one using personal insults as a point of debate.

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It was a critique, because there's no debate to be had over the point that because the casters are not optimal for meta therefore the devs must hate casters.
I don't understand why you feel like I'm your enemy to the point you had to think I was offending you there just like I don't understand how you can deny a personal opinion on the unplayability matter, it was bad yes but I've seen worse tbf and quite frankly WAR imho before 2.1 was worse than 4.0 BLM.

I understand your point that they should give enough dmg to offset the utility of the other jobs and I agree, actually I would be quite happy with it myself, but I also know that BLM needs ALOT of that dmg to make the difference that's why I say overbuffing, it needs to be above the rdps of sinergy jobs by a good margin to be considered worthwhile

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

blm 3.0 and 4.0 were both broken.... 4.0 not quite as much as 3.0, but still broken

smn 4.2 could have used a nerf, but why so major??..

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It's not major, granted the sources of damage it's a 2% overall nerf. At current DPS standards it's a 100 DPS loss max. Should still be above SAM or in the neibourghood (checked on O1-O4 average fights 95% performance)

SMN needed a nerf. Plain and simple. It was doing more damage than SAMURAI in the 95 percentiles, being top dps. And it brought radiant shield/contagion & devotion. The BLM buff is going to add around 220 dps based on 95 percentile again. This will even out casters as is should be BLM > SMN > RDM, but will also most likely destroy SMN's already fragile place in any sort of meta.

On the other end they buffed MNK so much that it could replace MCH in the meta in triple melee friendly fights.