"Casual" content thoughts

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Originally Posted by Yeol

This is strange, Shinryu EX dummy has more HP than O4S for tanks only.

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As someone who has never tanked either feel free to take this with a grain of salt but I have a friend who I've done Shinryu with a few times who vastly prefers tanking it and outright refuses to heal it. I think Shinryu is a bit softer on tanks (comparatively) because if you think about it other than Ak Morn/Tera Slash there really isn't even a reason to enter tank stance.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I am concerned that the game is gradually giving out less and less content for the casuals

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I'd say the reason for this is because 1-70 MSQ and regular quest plus all four man dungeons up to and including expert roulette are for the base tier of player. And that there just might be more people on average wishing to whet their appetites for something tougher.

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The devs literally consider the first two raids to be on a separate tier from the second two in each tier.

They've also billed Shinryu EX as being a fight they recommend specifically for those who can consistently beat O1S and O2S but are struggling to complete O3S, which is more admission on their part that a divide exists at that particular point in raid clusters.

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I don't see an issue here, nor anything weird or odd. When Plane of Time was available for Everquest, It had four tiers of varying difficulty. Naxx10/25 in WoW also had varying tiers, even gear would be higher ilvl towards the end than at the beginning. It allows players to sort of pick and choose their difficulty, they don't have to feel they're stuck at one throughout.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

My definition of casual and I consider myself one most of the time except lately.

For me midcore is someone who has a good amount of time to play but not all day save for a binge day or two every now and then.

Hardcore to me means you study every nuance of the game, play for hours upon hours, and strive for perpetual progression.

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To be honest, I lump all three together. There's a class before what you call 'casual'. That just can't 'get' the game. They'll keyboard turn, click abilities, and not understand class nuances. Stuff like using Jolt to Dualcast a white/black spell, or doing a job quest and running Stone Vigil as a Conjurer. Then after that is people who understand the basics of the game, with varying degrees of desire or will to do better or not.

Using you as an example, you said you consider yourself casual.. usually. What happened there? You didn't get smarter, you were smart before. You didn't simply have an epiphany. It was simple, you wanted to test it out, try your limits. Maybe at a nice little pace. But I'd assume you completed some goals you set for yourself (congratulations in that case by the way). And I'll go so far to say if you wanted to, you could do Omega V4 Savage. IF you wanted, as in your skill in the game isn't holding you back.

Not wanting to do content doesn't make someone worse at the game than someone who does. Elitists like to tell us otherwise. Its not true. Ironically, people like you are probably heads and tails above elitists who trash on others because they need people to be good enough to carry said elitist. And no one has a right to judge one who doesn't want to do the harder stuff.

As you pointed out, it takes a bit of coordination that some of us simply don't wish to engage in. Nothing wrong with that, we all play the game how we want as much as we want. I'm glad you found a pace that works. I wish everyone could, but many hold themselves back due to preconceptions.

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Originally Posted by Mycow8me

Please don't use disabilities and disorders as reasons to set limits for anything. Most people with either don't like that kind of association in the first place from my experience, myself included. Actually people overcoming their supposed handicaps is a thing. The only limit you have is the one you set for yourself. All through heavensward and some of 2.0, I didn't raid cause I have essential tremor in my hands, arms, and neck and its made worse by high concentration and situation intensity. Keyboard and mouse was way to aggravating, eventually plugged a PS4 controller into my computer... Fast forward to today, currently tanking for a casual group with some friends in it and we are progressing o3s.

I can appreciate a discussion of keeping the dungeon content at current difficulty but using handicaps and disorders as the means to an end is the wrong way to go about it.

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That's true. Though I'm not sure if there's much I can do about my reflexes/reaction time gradually getting worse as time goes on. I've almost always used a controller on games that support them, or using a program for those that don't. Raids/Savage, in general, is just something that never really appealed to me. I have LotA/ST to at least still get some verity/creation in the case I don't feel up to doing Expert that day.

Even though some things might annoy me, I'm fine with how the dungeons currently are. I guess it's just how things will play out in the future. I'm sure if I just practiced a bit more, I could do a bit better. Just need to not be as lazy. lol

I didn't add anything about my play time on the last post, since it was long enough. For the most part, it's usually one or two roulettes, then doing ARR/HW/SB hunts and beast tribes. Gathering and crafting is after that, depending on how I feel. Not quite sure if that would still fall under casual or not. Speaking of, I need to start working on those again.

Anyway, yeah. I don't want things to be like: "Push X to win the dungeon/raid!" If I want to do that content, then I should just step up to practice and such.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

As someone who has never tanked either feel free to take this with a grain of salt but I have a friend who I've done Shinryu with a few times who vastly prefers tanking it and outright refuses to heal it. I think Shinryu is a bit softer on tanks (comparatively) because if you think about it other than Ak Morn/Tera Slash there really isn't even a reason to enter tank stance.

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Not only that, O4S requires more enmity management since it restes throughout the encounter.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

People seem to fail to recognize that casual players make up the bulk of FFX!V's subscription funding.

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But being casual does not mean that you can just roll on your keyboard and get carried all day. I mean people have a different way to see difficulty but most of the dungeons in this game are really straightforward and most of them are not that hard. Yet some people even fail those because they cant even do the DPS or healing check. IMO you dont need to raid and pump out great DPS to be a good player. Just doing mechanics right and at least doing your part in group content should be enough. So just because most are casual does not mean that the skill level needs to be quite low. I mean who is going to carry those that are truly lazy if nobody would at least care a bit about the skill?