DPS frustration

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

If 5k is "good" for a dps and a tank is doing 2.4-2.7k dps I'd say thats "decent" at least. it's about half the dps numbers. I cant even access FFlogs and honestly dont care about it and dont think its good for the community. Parsing should be for personal improvement only.

Doing DPS is never the tank's primary job and a tank shouldn't be expected to do as much as a dps.

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FFLogs is another tool players can use to improve themselves and their team, just like parsers, some people are ignorant to its uses and tend to judge it entirely by numbers which have an astonishing amount of variables.

Unfortunately, if you want to progress in Savage content, DPS will be a big concern for tanks and healers and will have to really push your DPS capabilities to the limit if you want to go far. Outside of Savage its not too big a deal, I love pushing out as much damage as possible while riding the aggro line, but everyone enjoys things different.

As for DPS being harder than tanks, ehhh, all about practice honestly, some classes are harder to work with than others for different people, but with a bit of patience and enthusiasm, you will be doing well in no time, it doesn't take months of effort to reach high numbers, just a bit of foresight and optimisation (as in, knowing a fight well enough to know whats coming and adjusting accordingly) Practice makes perfect.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

If 5k is "good" for a dps and a tank is doing 2.4-2.7k dps I'd say thats "decent" at least. it's about half the dps numbers. I cant even access FFlogs and honestly dont care about it and dont think its good for the community. Parsing should be for personal improvement only.

Doing DPS is never the tank's primary job and a tank shouldn't be expected to do as much as a dps.

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I hate to break it to you, but dps is everyone's responsibility in this game. Tanks are easily capable of 3k+dps at the least. And Fflogs is fantastic for people who care about getting better.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

OK if anyone wonders why I'm not responding to a lot of these posts is many of them border on trollish to insulting. yours was not oneof those.

I can easily do 3k or more dps on a dummy, that's not hard with BLM. SMN is a little harder, my pet and self dps account for a total of roughly 3k, and my DoTs are about 1.2k. This is with item level 313-314 for BLM and SMN respectively.

Problem I have with BLM is the minute I am in actual combat and have to move all the careful planning and rotations fall apart. theres so much to pay attention to in a ex trial like susano that it becomes borderline impossible to manage a short timer on top of it all especially when ONE wrong button press can be so punishing.

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This is where I may recommend trying rdm again or practice cast skating. Even when dodging, there is a split second where you can move as the spell finishes and it still go off. Also swiftcast and triplecast helps further with this, you can move while those are in effect and cast while moving with them on, it is what they are there for. You can also use thunder procs in the same manner. As said you transpose when you know you will not make refreshing it, dealing with umberal I is much better then losing a foul build up. It is also a good habit to use convert in your starter rotation, so you trigger foul before having to go astral ice. This is imporant because foul is free and you have no DPS loss to server ticks when you go into ice, that is why I said you want to save your thunder procs and fouls while in ice. Sometimes you do use thunder procs while in fire though, esp when you need to move or its gonna drop off the monster.

Remember once you release an insta cast, you got about 2 sec of free movement with out no dps impact.

This topic seems to have devolved from asking for BLM advice into telling people they what they consider acceptable dps and ignoring everyone asking for more info on how to actually get better :thinking:

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

This topic seems to have devolved from asking for BLM advice into telling people they what they consider acceptable dps and ignoring everyone asking for more info on how to actually get better :thinking:

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Well, the op did give up on blm by about the second/third page, it didn't take very long.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

If 5k is "good" for a dps and a tank is doing 2.4-2.7k dps I'd say thats "decent" at least. it's about half the dps numbers. I cant even access FFlogs and honestly dont care about it and dont think its good for the community. Parsing should be for personal improvement only.

Doing DPS is never the tank's primary job and a tank shouldn't be expected to do as much as a dps.

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I'm sorry but currently doing 2.4-2.7 Is average healer dps top healers are dishing out 3k damage, and dps are coming up in the 6k your dps as of this moment should as a tank on the 3k mark. I'm pointing all this out because you kept saying tanking and healing is easy not to troll, don't make statements you can't support. and dps is just as primary as tanking is, for tanks there's no primary then the rest if you want to fully play how you are supposed to you need to do everything expectionally, cd rotations hold aggro and damage while stance dancing using optimal dps rotations at all times and if you are a palading the proper usage of your defensive abilities for your party can ease out the struggle for your healers. So don't be saying "Doing DPS is never the tank's primary job and a tank shouldn't be expected to do as much as a dps" and then start a treat with "tanking is easy". Side note: with 2.4-2.7 tank damage you are putting a burden on your party for v3 and I don't think you can clear v4 with those numbers but I might be worng.

as for your BLM i'm not blm but I've leveled incredible amount of classes to know that to get good at any oft them you need to practice, get a proper guide, rotations, food, potions jump into extreme fights old and new ones and always try your best to follow your rotation without tunel visioning, don't put excuses for improvement is not SE fault you can't dish proper numbers is your own there's no insta gratification here you want something work for it. Stop running around saying tank and healing is easy or that tank dps doesn't matter, don't missinformed other players because it does matter and is highly expected from you to do high amount of damage as a tank.

I had this problem with BLM and thought the job was the problem. Then, come to find out, the problem was that I wasn't playing it right. I suggest going to the blm section of the forums and learning what others do. Much as I hate to admit it, sometimes the problem is me.

Play red mage, high dps with very little difficulty.

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

I'm sorry but currently doing 2.4-2.7 Is average healer dps top healers are dishing out 3k damage, and dps are coming up in the 6k your dps as of this moment should as a tank on the 3k mark. I'm pointing all this out because you keptsaying tanking and healing is easy not to troll, don't make statements you can't support. and dps is just as primary as tanking is, for tanks there's no primary then the rest if you want to fully play how you are supposed to you need to do everything expectionally, cd rotations hold aggro and damage while stance dancing using optimal dps rotations at all times and if you are a palading the proper usage of your defensive abilities for your party can ease out the struggle for your healers. So don't be saying "Doing DPS is never the tank's primary job and a tank shouldn't be expected to do as much as a dps" and then start a treat with "tanking is easy". Side note: with 2.4-2.7 tank damage you are putting a burden on your party for v3 and I don't think you can clear v4 with those numbers but I might be worng.

as for your BLM i'm not blm but I've leveled incredible amount of classes to know that to get good at any oft them you need to practice, get a proper guide, rotations, food, potions jump into extreme fights old and new ones and always try your best to follow your rotation without tunel visioning, don't put excuses for improvement is not SE fault you can't dish proper numbers is your own there's no insta gratification here you want something work for it. Stop running around saying tank and healing is easy or that tank dps doesn't matter, don't missinformed other players because it does matter and is highly expected from you to do high amount of damage as a tank.

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thinking someone has i340 gear asking for advice, go logic.

having around 3k dps is where you start out at 70 rufly esp when still getting adjusted to it when different slots are i290-310 (course it depends on job, brd and mch being on the lower end of things, may struggle hover slightly over 3k.)

Stop trying to make people feel bad by comparing them to i340 top end double weaving OGCD DPS and such.