Thank you SE

Gonna need to see the numbers that were adjusted on PLD/DRK/WAR first before I go crying WAR OP - hopefully they didn't goof it up again, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Glad to hear Shake It Off is getting changed.

Glad to hear they're adding STR to accessories since that was the ideal change, hopefully that includes locking out the i270 Slaying accessories as well.

Stance dance penalty change is both good and bad. Good because it was clunky to begin with and something needed to be done about it. Bad because this returns WAR's stance dancing to being way more fluid than PLD/DRK's. PLD/DRK's still has an advantage in that you get the immediate effect of it, but I feel like they might as well be all oGCD at this point.

e: Also just read that SP is getting a damage buff? Seems strange but I guess it is our most used combo so fair enough.

I'm pretty sure PLDs that think its damage is not obscenely high are just bad and unable to get those kind of numbers, ever, so they want things to always be imbalanced in their favor.

That said, my biggest concern right now is that DRK's utility is not THAT great. Everyone talking about how "DRK has utility and Blackest Night is amazing", and while TBN is amazing, the utility aspect is not what's amazing at all. A 10% HP shield is simply not that amazing.

I'm not so sure that losing a single Holy Spirit per minute is going to significantly nerf PLD to the point that its utility is not seen as pretty much essential in prog. So, with that assumption out of the way, if WAR brings major DPS and DRK brings a 10% HP shield, I really don't see myself going DRK, which is sad because it's my main and I love the theme, but with how boring it is right now and the fact that I would rather bring more DPS than a 10% HP shield for tank busters, it's not looking good to me.

It's a step in the right direction, but it won't be enough, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

He wasn't balanced it was stupid as hell. You were forced to bring drk war for anything serious, now that's not the case.

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Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

Actually the shield is 20% not 10%. But I do agree that it certainly is not that amazing indeed. Especially given that we have such a downright pitiful amount of cooldowns for mitigation. Since putting aside Rampart which any Tank can get from Role Actions, we only really have TBN and Shadow Wall which just functions as an inferior Sentinel.

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It's 20% on yourself and 10% if used on someone else.

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Originally Posted by Clover210

Was doing a parody of what I would imagine most WAR's reaction to seeing their main class getting buff and PLDs getting nerfed. If anything it's laughable how you are happy with PLD getting nerfed when it really wasn't needed. SE just needed to buff WAR and DRK up to par

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You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

Actually the shield is 20% not 10%. But I do agree that it certainly is not that amazing indeed. Especially given that we have such a downright pitiful amount of cooldowns for mitigation. Since putting aside Rampart which any Tank can get from Role Actions, we only really have TBN and Shadow Wall which just functions as an inferior Sentinel.

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As someone said pretty much, I was talking about DRK's utility, meaning the value of the shield when used on another. TBN is possibly the best self-mitigation tool in the game, imho.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

It's 20% on yourself and 10% if used on someone else.

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My bad then. I misunderstood and thought they were talking about using it on yourself rather than someone else for some reason. Thanks for correcting my mistake there.

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You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

As someone said pretty much, I was talking about DRK's utility, meaning the value of the shield when used on another. TBN is possibly the best self-mitigation tool in the game, imho.

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Yeah, kind of half-asleep and misunderstood what you were saying. So I'm glad they corrected me on my mistake there.

So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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Yeah, no, not really. NIN has been singled out as the most imbalanced because its DPS was not far behind SAM yet it brought massive utility... Why are we talking about this in a tank forum?

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You know, honestly the only parody I'm interested in seeing is the one of all the PLDs telling WARs, "Yeahhh how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot!?" and "You had your time, now it's our time to be on top!", rather than fighting for balance like the rest of the sane tanking community.

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And I saw WARs gloating over other tanks about their six fell meme cleaves and their rush in attack while spouting they are still the top spot for tanks after the Live Letter XXXV. But that isn't the point, I just find the whole animosity towards other tanks to be in poor taste. Wishing ill will other tank classes to get nerfed because they do a little bit more damage than you just seems childish to me. And when the nerf does happen they show joy over it, case in point the OP post

"Thank you SE for PLD nerf!"

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Originally Posted by Werewolf

So Ninja was nerfed and Samurai wasn't, last time I check Samurai was the OP one lol

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Well look at it this way, what does Samurai bring to a raid/group asides from big damage? Ninja has plenty of tools that helps the group/raid, SAM having big damage is their uniqueness. the Dev Team will make the proper adjustments eventually. I'm just glad Paladin is in the position it is right now and the Holy Spirit nerf won't affect it as much.

But what do I know I'm just a dude playing another dude while leveling that dude.