Maybe the fact that I'm even doing this to begin with is the hint on what's going on...I'm overhealing because I'm with a pug healer and they're healing too slow, I have to cover their side else the party wipes. I Sacred Soil to lessen the burden on myself for this, and you can't Deployment Tactics for every Ukehi. I Whispering Dawn during the jump ropes to avoid having to waste more MP unless somebody fails the jump rope. The only time I don't have to do any of this is when I'm running with the FC, but we're not doing that 24/7, I have to do this with pugs sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by QooEr
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07-11-2017, 01:09 PMRyuDragnier
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07-11-2017, 01:40 PMmagnanimousCynicYour list is so incomplete it almost screams SCH bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by QooEr
- What about WHM's Thin Air? That's 0 MP cost for 12 seconds. If you had to do PoM + Medica I spam you save about 10k MP. And if you had to, you could spam 6 Cure III to save nearly 14k MP.
- AST has Lightspeed which reduces MP cost by 25% for 10 seconds while reducing cast times by 2.5 seconds. If you had to spam 4 Helios then you saved 1440 MP.
- AST can also draw Ewer, which is a base 50 potency refresh for 5 ticks. Extending or Enhancing it can increase this MP regen further.
- With the AST stuff in mind, they can do Extended Ewer + LD + Lightspeed + CO if MP issues are that severe.
Those 3-6 energy Drains used at the start of a pull are usually used for DPS, not MP, so they shouldn't be counted as so unless you can somehow spend enough MP in the first 60 seconds to get the full MP benefit of SIX Energy Drains. Spoiler Alert! Most likely not.
Others have commented on the relative MP cost of an AF stack when not used for Energy Drain so I won't go into that.
EDIT #1: Also forgot that AST has a cheaper toolkit as a whole compared to WHM and SCH, indirectly giving them better MP regen. -
07-11-2017, 07:01 PMKazrahYou're also forgetting Celestial Opposition can also extend not only Ewer, but Lucid Dreaming as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic
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07-11-2017, 07:16 PMTintif you really want a complete list you should include the fairy - she is maybe not that strong, but heals for 0 mp cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic
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07-11-2017, 08:33 PMloreleidiangelo
I don't foresee the Aetherflow and fairy nerfs being reverted; sorry SCHs, but I think those were a little necessary given your strengths in Heavensward. That said, I in no way think the healers are well-balanced now, and think the Adlo and Bane nerfs were fairly moronic all things considered. Astrologian also needs an overarching nerf, most notably to Balance and their shields in Nocturnal Sect. WHM is a bit bland to me, but aside from some small QoLs involving lilies I think they're in a good spot right now.
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07-12-2017, 04:38 AMmagnanimousCynicIf we're going to count the fairies as "MP recovery", which was the list that I replied to, then I should then addQuote:
Originally Posted by Tint
- WHMs Benediction/Tetragrammaton/Asylum.
- ASTs Essential Dignity/Collective Unconscious/Earthly Star, and probably Lady of Crowns.
- SCHs Rouse/Aetherpact/Fey Union.
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07-12-2017, 05:10 AMTintyes. either the full kit, or nothing, or just the mp recovery...Quote:
Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic
but you were counting Thin Air and the MP reduction from Lightspeed as "MP recovery" tools. but if you do that, you have to count the free healing the fairy offers too. -
07-12-2017, 05:31 AMJijifliJust mentioning. If you're going at him over Thin Air and Lightspeed, then we got a bit of a situation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
With Thin air, I get free 650 potency spells. With Lightspeed, I can cheaper, instant 650 potency spells. With fairy, I get a 250 potency spell that doesn't even scale off of mind (Unless I missed a patch.) -
07-12-2017, 06:09 AMTint
actually they buffed cure 2, so it's 700 potency spells for free. thin air lasts 12 seconds and has a 2 mins cooldown. so it's 3500 potency free heals, 4200 with presence of mind. the fairy has a 100% uptime, 250 potency with a 3 second recast. so 5000 potency every mintute of free healing. even if it doesn't scale with mind, that's a lot free healing.
since thin air has a 2 mins cooldown i'll cut the numbers in half:
1750 potency (2100 potency with presence of mind, wich doesn't work well with the cooldown, but however) free cure 2 every mintute
compared to
5000 potency free embrace from your fairy every minute
of course thin air is still better, since you can use it better for burst phases. but the fairy has an 480 potency HoT for burst phases, wich is "free", okay, it uses the fae aether, but what else do you have to spend it on?
i simply can't see the issue. SCH had nearly unlimited mana for years and WHM was suffering from mana problems. now it's the other way around and suddenly it is a problem?
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07-12-2017, 06:37 AMMiriliI wish SE would put more accurate tooltip information on pet abilities. Embrace isn't even really 250 potency. I don't think it was even an effective 250 potency in HW, despite it reading as 300.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
It's even lower now. It's kind of a joke. You can list it as free healing, sure, but it's not fantastic.
WHM did have to be more careful spending MP, but it was also spending MP on the beefiest heals. You got your money's worth. Right now, Scholar is spending more MP for the least effective heals. That ain't right.