Royal Menagerie

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Originally Posted by Kalayel

Royal menagerie blocks the access to higher ilvl, in case you forgot. Best they can have is 300.

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You not completing this fight stops you from getting higher ilvl gear. It does nothing to stop the rest of the community from upgrading their gear. I said that the content would be "nerfed" by more people having high level gear. This is true. If your DF group was half new people and you cleared it the first weekend, no one had better then i290 gear(and some people didnt even have that, as they didnt know the importance of doing the lvl 70 class quest first). If your DF group is half new people now, then the other half is likely to be between i300 and i310. In another couple weeks, the experienced half could passing i320. Eventually the other half of the group will be above whatever maximum sync they set for the fight, and they will just have the highest stats possible. Besides that, as time goes by new people will be less likely to be matched with other new people as people will continue to clear the content.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

You not completing this fight.....

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exactly. Eventually everyone will be plowing through this fight like nothing, carrying the dead body of the PUG to victory. It's a mini-prize for people who learn their stuff and find a good group: you get to win the game first.

I joined to help a clear party ("no rage quits") for this in party finder, was smooth one-shot and only 1 person tried a few times. :) If anyone is struggling with this fight still, I recommend making a party finder for it.

The fight is hard sure, but so was the base final boss of Heavensward when it originally came out. Now people can blitz right through it. Once the patches adding more MSQ come out adding higher level weapons and such it will probably be a cake walk.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Needs to be nerfed a lot when healers keep leaving then party gets disbanded. Maybe they should remove it from main story and make it like ex primals. Its not right how it is wait 45 minutes to hour in duty finder just have party disbanded after 3 wipes then have to wait another 45 minutes to hour to get in again. Just so can finish story so can buy lvl 70 gear.

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I disagree. The only thing that makes this fight in anyway difficult is that extremely casual players refuse to learn the mechanics of the fight. Once you learn the mechanics this boss is a complete push over.

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Originally Posted by sorawild34

The fight is hard sure, but so was the base final boss of Heavensward when it originally came out. Now people can blitz right through it. Once the patches adding more MSQ come out adding higher level weapons and such it will probably be a cake walk.

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I'm pretty sure the base final boss of Heavensward was King Thordan and he was one of the easiest trials. You could literally fail every mechanic of Knights of the Round and still win.

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Originally Posted by Age_of_Oblivion

I think everyone that has already successfully cleared this fight and is saying it was a piece of cake should play it one more time, and see what a joyous cake walk it really is in the DF. I've had 7 groups now and still can't get healers to dodge tails.

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If your healers are dying to the tail hitting them, tell them to do their level 70 job quest because that shouldn't be one shorting anyone from full health. The only things that can one shot you with appropriate gear are falling off the stage, failing the stack marker mechanic, and standing in a water puddle during Judgement Bolt.

I find this to be a great duty. Yes it challenges you, but only with things you have already learned from previous fights. Quite a few of us will come across a group that steamrolls it no problem, and others who well... utilize the Vote Abandon function. Though the duty is pretty balanced and keeps you on your toes, so any nerf could destroy the core essence of that just to satisfy those who struggle.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Well, after quite a few attempts, this casual dungeon runner will never do it again IF I make it through. IMO, it is too difficult for a MSQ for more casual players and putting a flight aether behind it ain't cool.

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The duty is pretty easy. I've managed to one shot it with a group of friends on one character where I was even able to survive eating avoidable aoes and the tail as noct Ast. However, I tried using df with another character and it isn't going to happen. The playerbase is really bad in general. Pf is going to be your best option. Don't ever do this in df unless you like hurting yourself.

Having said that, whether or not Menagerie gets nerfed depends entirely on the clear rate. If enough players are clearing then it won't get nerfed. If enough players aren't then it'll get hammered. The major issue with it right now is that it blocks the new tomestone vendors which means new players aren't able to overgear it. It's also getting a really bad reputation and I've seen a lot of tanks and/or healers just leave as soon as they zone in. Even among friends, it's hard getting people to do it as they really don't like it at all or just had enough bad experiences with it that they ignore its existence.

I"d say a big issue is they need to restrict entrance to the Level Content MSQ dungeon and trial, making it required to completed X job you are on. There is no excuse for it, you need that last ability and you need that gear to be competent. What makes this a pain is having people enter the content with lv 60-69 gear on the left side when they have a job quest that will happily fill 6 of their slots with i290 gear.