Jobs are balanced equally and no class is considered meta.

I can't with you any longer.

You know nothing about the strength of MCH vs BRD. Your data is heavily flawed, biased, and proves absolutely nothing. Your friend can just as easily be a good brd (although bursting without dots is suspect), and a god awful mch. Even then, the fact that you think burst starts from the ramp up, and not the burst itself is already mind boggling. Lack of experience in an actual competitive setting will continue to prevent you to see past the reality that is MCH > BRD.

Your rank has a lot to do with your opinion on the matter, it's not to insult you, but gauge your level. Since you don't know what your rank was, I'm going to assume very low or 0. You've only played with terrible players, and quite frankly, BRD is the noob killer, so of course you think it's OP/stronger than MCH. Most of the MCH at low elo are bad because BRD is an easier job to play in PvP than MCH.

Based on your past post, your stubborn nature to only see things in your own shoes, (albeit one inside a heavily dense fortress) you're never gonna witness the truth of the matter.


I ask that you atleast actually go out there past the wolves' den dueling circle, into some Feast games, get to Diamond, play actual players, then you can have an opinion.

Until then please refrain from spouting false claims so SE doesn't do unnecessary buffs/nerfs.






(Dying to a Bard (no dots)/MCH (no clean shot) in a scenario in which it's 1v1, I just can't stop laughing, please someone hold me.)

Um you are the one not giving any information.. so there is that..
I said it for a very long time MCH is way easier to heal though then BRD is and now with the nerf, even easier, lol

I healed though MCH meany times before update, I really do not see the big deal , but if you insist making a job useless , then by my guest?

Also having cleanshot ready means buffing before hand, that takes time, something you do not need on brd, you do not need the straight shot buff or the dots to kill someone, it is just a helper in case someone can react to it to heal over it. I do not know where you get off on when I saw it is clear to me a brd kills faster then a MCh does.

"Real examples" :rolleyes:

https://media.giphy.com/media/iuZVa3hUg8zoA/giphy.gif

Maybe I was wrong all this time, maybe Se has reasons in removing the chat. I am sitting here waiting for deeper explanations and real examples like I do, if you are going to brag about playing the best, you do not do a good job in showing it. How come we do not have deeper discussions on how to balance things instead of whiling about how rng can give high damage in between the eyes during calling time? 8k isbeyond the norm and it is questionable how that screenshot happened.

How about instead of "Until then please refrain from spouting false claims so SE doesn't do unnecessary buffs/nerfs." if you are such an expert how come you are not out there givin a deep analyst then? I am here trying and you are just here wasting people's time with insults and spam posts, like only posting a gif.

Maybe this is why PvP is so small, because so few want to deal with this inballanced game and get shut down when trying to speak on something just because you feel they are not good enough to speak out. Also I am shocked as hell you are picking on me for "Until then please refrain from spouting false claims so SE doesn't do unnecessary buffs/nerfs." and not the op, since you clearly shown and stated that damage is not normal.

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Envoyé par Ama_Hamada

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Ama, I main BRD and I can tell you, it's burst on Impact is faster than MCH but MCH raw power is stronger. Alot stronger. You can kill without Sidewinder but only in these circumstances:
-Healer sucks
-Healer is sleeped
-Player has alot of stacks

BRD can only kill with its Barrage active and you only have 10secs to do it. BRD is easily beat by:
-PLDs Shield Bashing
-Warrior Stuns/Knockback
-Sleep
-Bind
-Running behind walls
-Virus(Unless you sacrifice a Purify)
-Enemy Purify

MCH has 20secs to burst, no DoTs to depend on, turret debuff lasts like 30secs, and they can do it move. Not only that, MCH has a stun(That BRD doesn't have), Silence, Heavy, Bind, Knockback, 5% magic/physical DPS down. Knockback on 25secs while BRD is 150secs long. MCH can effectively stop healers. MCH has alooot more utility.

A MCH can burst anyone they choose because they require no prep like a BRD. That's what makes a MCH worse. They could be attacking the healer with buffs up and boom you're dead. If a Bard fails the burst it's over for 90more secs.

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Envoyé par Ama_Hamada

Maybe I was wrong all this time, maybe Se has reasons in removing the chat. I am sitting here waiting for deeper explanations and real examples like I do, if you are going to brag about playing the best, you do not do a good job in showing it. How come we do not have deeper discussions on how to balance things instead of whiling about how rng can give high damage in between the eyes during calling time? 8k isbeyond the norm and it is questionable how that screenshot happened.

How about instead of "Until then please refrain from spouting false claims so SE doesn't do unnecessary buffs/nerfs." if you are such an expert how come you are not out there givin a deep analyst then? I am here trying and you are just here wasting people's time with insults and spam posts, like only posting a gif.

Maybe this is why PvP is so small, because so few want to deal with this inballanced game and get shut down when trying to speak on something just because you feel they are not good enough to speak out. Also I am shocked as hell you are picking on me for "Until then please refrain from spouting false claims so SE doesn't do unnecessary buffs/nerfs." and not the op, since you clearly shown and stated that damage is not normal.

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The explanation as to why MCH is better is already in this very thread. Here just a refresher encase you missed it from the 2nd page.

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Envoyé par TiramisuMacaron

1) mchs burst rotation 0 cast time, unlike bard. Mch has a 20s window to use burst, making it nigh impossible for 1 class to shutdown. Not needing 2 dots on the target also helps immensely.
2) mch has a vuneralbilty debuff that cannot be purified, that also helps melee.
3) mchs knockback is on a 30s cooldown instead of a forever cooldown. Bind[/Heavy] is also on a super low 20s cooldown. This is probably the most game breaking aspect of mch. Being able to shutdown a melee every 20s or knock a tank off of you before burst is extremely powerful.
4) mchs second burst is extremely more powerful than bards. Honestly I didn't even know a bard could burst more than one way, but I'll take your word for it.
5)mch has a lot more artistic freedom. You can play mindgames with your burst, whereas bard is very static.
6) You lose less in PvP having to mp song your turret than having to sing ballad.
7) mch is extremely more mobile than bard with gauss barrel on, making you lose way less damage while kiting than bard.
8) mch has an ogcd 3s AoE stun. No ranged dps can stun, no class outside of AST and WAR has an AoE ogcd stun. Mch is the only dps class that has this utility. It is insane.
9) brd silence is 1s every 30s. Mch is 2s every 25s. That extra 1s sometimes forces an ogcd whereas brds is just used as a mini interrupt.

There are more things that make mch extremely powerful compared to bard. If you are trying to argue brd is even close to mch in the current meta and this quick list didn't make you think otherwise, I am out of words. Mch so much stronger than any other ranged DPS it isn't even funny.

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Not even the full list.

Buff mnk please

this thread is a joke.

Buff supply boxes tbh

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Envoyé par Yukumazi

this thread is a joke.

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Let the joke die then.