I280 weapons were a mistake

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Originally Posted by Mature

Get over it.

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Nah man, get over yourself.

I'm not bothered by 280 weps either, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of how messed up it is as an addition, and a poorly timed one at that.

Weapon acquisition is really getting absurd in this game. I mean, raid weps make sense, except in Gordias. Then they changed tome weps to require a 7-week gate thanks to an arbitrary number of Normal raid drops plus the original tome costs (which were a 3-week gate). This also seemed to slow down tome weapons to work beside relic steps, seemingly (cue the /thinking emote here), and of course you have Primal weapons working as the in-betweens, crafted weapons as more expensive-yet-lesser in-betweens, and the Holy Mother of XIV Grinding; the relic. It used to be Raid/Relic (completed)>Tome>Primal>Crafted, but in this one addition alone, that flow was easily disrupted, and for what? To carrot and stick people into the Diadem?

Man, that carrot's really not looking so juicy now. And with raid weps now eclipsed prior to Stormblood, completed relics literally getting their thunder stolen within 9 days (side note: as much as I hate relics, even I'm working on a 2nd one, largely for glamour reasons), and everything else below that devalued based on time/effort/skill requirements when compared to what it takes for that 1% i280 wep. . . well, we're quickly hitting that "why even bother?" point.

Still, "get over it"? Nah dude. Roll over and play the "Enjoy what you have now" card if you like, but if you accept it now, you'll have to accept it when they do it again in 4.0. . . You know, just like the "Atma 3.0" step at the start of the Anima relic (after so many people hated it the first 2 times around, skippable or not), and that time they AGAIN rebranded FATES and hunts and called it "the Diadem".

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

From what I can tell, most of the salt is over people upset their epeen boosting speed kill fflogs numbers arent valid anymore. Maybe we should just get rid of fflogs.

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I don't care about fflogs it is just that you can get the best stuff in a game without putting any effort into it. Its like when you log in and an npc hands you the best stuff right at the starting point for free, Except that you need a bit luck to have good partys in diadem and to see the emergency mission.

In my oppinion the best stuff in a game has to be locked behind something where you have to put effort into and it should stay the best stuff until the next patch with challenging/harder content hits the servers.

I'm looking forward to 4.0 when SE is doing stuff like that even sooner after people farmed their tome weapons for weeks, raided like maniacs or did their relics. Lets see if you still say "Nah its totaly awesome".

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Originally Posted by Ilan

I don't care about fflogs it is just that you can get the best stuff in a game without putting any effort into it. Its like when you log in and an npc hands you the best stuff right at the starting point for free, Except that you need a bit luck to have good partys in diadem and to see the emergency mission.

In my oppinion the best stuff in a game has to be locked behind something where you have to put effort into and it should stay the best stuff until the next patch with challenging/harder content hits the servers.

I'm looking forward to 4.0 when SE is doing stuff like that even sooner after people farmed their tome weapons for weeks, raided like maniacs or did their relics. Lets see if you still say "Nah its totaly awesome".

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Considering I've been playing since 1.0 launch, and have done multiples of every relic step pre nerf, and all of coil while it was relevant, I'm sure i'll be just fine. Hell, the only reason I stopped raiding in 3.0 was because it wasn't fun. I dont care about the "but muh exclusive drops and ilvl" or "muh speedkill" And that is where all the salt currently is. oh no, i just finished 2 relics and theres a better weapon out, whatever shall I do. Oh no, savage has been out for 6 months, and our weapons are invalid, and our speedclears.

I have never played this game for the ilvl upgrades. That's probably why I will never be salty about such things. If I do any hard content, its because I want to do the hard content for fun, not to inflate my self worth or show off to other people or get gear no one else has.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I have never played this game for the ilvl upgrades. That's probably why I will never be salty about such things. If I do any hard content, its because I want to do the hard content for fun, not to inflate my self worth or show off to other people or get gear no one else has.

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I'm not saying I'm not somewhat the same, but by that logic, let there be no complaints if Savage raids don't have mounts or titles, or well, anything relevant in 4.0.

Like I've been saying in the PvP section: Even if you don't care about rewards, even if you legit do things for fun, let's not act like it's not simply the nature of gamers - especially ones who play MMOs - to want proportional rewards for the time, effort, or skill put into things, and XIV seems intent on defying that as much as possible. Relics were the time-effort reward, raid drops were the skill-effort reward. This i280 thing is. . . what exactly?

All we need now is to complete the descent into madness: i280 Tataru Gear in 3.56. Quest Reward. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I dont care about the "but muh exclusive drops and ilvl" or "muh speedkill" And that is where all the salt currently is.

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Not all of the salt is due to those reasons.

I don't care about speed kills either and I don't care about "exclusives" or w/e

I do the savage content because I like it. I don't care about what other people have.

My main issue was I was really happy to have finished my relic and I assumed it would be the best weapon for at least a month.

9 days later and now I have to farm for i280 already if I want the best weapon available.

That is way too fast for anything to be invalidated in any game.

If they added the i280 at the end of March or something I would have zero complaints since I don't care about it being better than relic or savage...I just care that invalidating anything after only 9 days is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Not all of the salt is due to those reasons.

I don't care about speed kills either and I don't care about "exclusives" or w/e

I do the savage content because I like it. I don't care about what other people have.

My main issue was I was really happy to have finished my relic and I assumed it would be the best weapon for at least a month.

9 days later and now I have to farm for i280 already if I want the best weapon available.

That is way too fast for anything to be invalidated in any game.

If they added the i280 at the end of March or something I would have zero complaints since I don't care about it being better than relic or savage...I just care that invalidating anything after only 9 days is just ridiculous.

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Iunno, I guess this stuff just doesn't bother me lol.

I see 2 light farms in PF atm, so I guess people still want to do it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Considering I've been playing since 1.0 launch, and have done multiples of every relic step pre nerf, and all of coil while it was relevant, I'm sure i'll be just fine. Hell, the only reason I stopped raiding in 3.0 was because it wasn't fun. I dont care about the "but muh exclusive drops and ilvl" or "muh speedkill" And that is where all the salt currently is. oh no, i just finished 2 relics and theres a better weapon out, whatever shall I do. Oh no, savage has been out for 6 months, and our weapons are invalid, and our speedclears.

I have never played this game for the ilvl upgrades. That's probably why I will never be salty about such things. If I do any hard content, its because I want to do the hard content for fun, not to inflate my self worth or show off to other people or get gear no one else has.

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So and because you don't care about anything in a game...question is why you log in at all after you did everything once, but thats your choice, no one else is alowed to get frustrated that his/her NEW weapon is outdated after just 9 days after it came out?
Even if you don't care about stuff like that for yourself, your mind should tell you that this is absolutly wrong to replace a new weapon only 9 days after it came into a game.

And i don't know why you always want to point at people that want their stuff where they did a lot for as show offs, this may be true for a few people but not for the majority of players who went through the content to archieve their goals.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I see 2 light farms in PF atm, so I guess people still want to do it.

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That's hardly a counterargument, lol! They're pretty much at the finish line. After coming that far, they might as well finish. Hell, I banged out the 200, 210, and 220 steps in like 2 days or so. I'm back to Umbrite on this 2nd relic. No point stopping now.

But that 280 business is still no good.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

That's hardly a counterargument, lol! They're pretty much at the finish line. After coming that far, they might as well finish. Hell, I banged out the 200, 210, and 220 steps in like 2 days or so. I'm back to Umbrite on this 2nd relic. No point stopping now.

But that 280 business is still no good.

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I just dont see it. I can't comprehend the absolute salt that people have. Its like someone shot their dog.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I just dont see it. I can't comprehend the absolute salt that people have. Its like someone shot their dog.

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Then you aren't supposed to. Don't even try to understand. Just continue enjoying the game. Let us salty people be salty.