SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Thats why I dont even look at pf because if you have never done something then they dont want you there and obviously nobody wants people in rf either.

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And you think it's going to be any different if it was in the DF?
It being in the RF isn't the problem, the problem is those who have it on farm have no incentive to help newer players and want to get the fight over with as quickly possible, so they can get their drops and be done with it and move on to the next farm. While it is true someone has the right to try 100 times to clear content, is it really fair to the other 7 players in the party who just want to get it over with?

I will say this again, as you obviously chose to ignore it the last couple of times I already said it in this thread

MAKE YOUR OWN LEARNING GROUP. IN PF.

I will also add that ravex/bisex are in DF because they're the oldest primals in HW, and quite easy to clear even through DF - WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE EVEN BOTHER QUEUING FOR IT THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR OTHER HW PRIMALS. Lumping bisex/ravex with all other primals before (and including) sophex is insane, and the only thing that this will accomplish is that no one will queue for these instances.

So it seems like the question is "Why can't I find 7 experienced people to clear the fight with". Which if you have already been thought most of the fight is fair enough as it can be daunting to have to start over again with a new learning party.

However DF will not provide this for you. Older HW ex primals work most of the time because most people know those fights now and they are quick.

This is what FCs are for. If your FC can't form a party to help new people clear recent but not necessarily brand new content and that it what you are interested in then you should consider a new FC or at least LS setup for this.

Most servers I've been on have LS for learning parties and bird farms etc.

If you haven't run the fight at all - well create your own learning party in PF.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

I will say this again, as you obviously chose to ignore it the last couple of times I already said it in this thread
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:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

This is what someone else posted in here earlier why would I want to be put in this situation, and also again to say that the primals thordan and up are that much more difficult than the ones in arr is just not true. From what I have seen SE did not triple the difficulty of the content in hw I would even say some of the arr primals are more difficult that the hw ones and that many people that unsync then prob couldnt clear those from lack of actually playing them as intended.

Thats just silly to say that no one would que for them if people still que for ramuh and titan and they are old as dirt then people would still que for the ones that are still some what relevant. Obviously you must not of used the duty finder for primals before because yes it had a higher chance of failure but it also reaches way more people and that is the whole point not to limit the amount of people that can do the content but to expand that number. But you seem to want to make this content premium content when its just something that you can learn and do over time, thats all that it takes is time.

But what raid finder is , is for people who did the content when it was new, didnt get their mounts and are just using it for mounts farming. Its not for people that are just approaching the content for the first time, that is the only different is some people got practice and others did not, and rf is just to cut the practice part for new to content players out completely which makes no sense. The only reason why it matters to you whether its in rf are not is because youve already learn the content , so its easier for you to say I dont care about someone else tryin to do the samething you did months prior its easy to have that mindset. But like I said others are at different progression points in the game, so they should not be excluded from the content just because of this even if that,s what the community wants. Giving two options at the least is something se should do not just put everything in the favor of people that have already progressed passed the learning stages.

The raid finder is used for both not sure where your coming up with this "only people that want to farm use raid finder to cut people like me who waited out of the loop. Get out of your own head and use the functions provided to you in the game please. no one cares if you fail in a learning party people went in expecting to wipe. Now if your worried you don't play your class well enough you do post on these forums quite often take yourself over to the guides for your class that are on this forum and read up.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

The raid finder is used for both not sure where your coming up with this "only people that want to farm use raid finder to cut people like me who waited out of the loop. Get out of your own head and use the functions provided to you in the game please. no one cares if you fail in a learning party people went in expecting to wipe. Now if your worried you don't play your class well enough you do post on these forums quite often take yourself over to the guides for your class that are on this forum and read up.

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Um actually thats not even close to what Im saying dont know where you got this from , Ive stated I watch guides for every piece of content that I do. I look up rotations for each job if I want to play them in higher level content. I tank and I know how to go into my off tankin stance for more damage esp on my warrior, I know how to mitigate damage I look at and have been studying xenoyos guides on warrior and drk.

I have over 800 commendations with less than 1000 instances, Ive done all the midcore content alex 1- 12 tanked them with my pali with minimumal bad runs Ive gone out of my way to do the old extreme primals sync instead of the bs feature unsync. Ive been practicing my rotations at Stone, Sky, Sea, done all the 24 mans so no Its not about knowing how to play my job or not it is simply just having access to content again nobody is going to join a phase run for something that is old I have already tried rf. Raid finder is for alex savage and people that want to farm birds not for someone who is late to doing the content despite the feature being there its not going to be used as much as it would be in the df. I didnt come here without even tryin the feature before posting the fact that I tried the feature is the very reason Im here its a bs feature for extreme primals when the duty finder worked just fine. It reaches more people bottom line , I dont have to put my name out there like i would in pf just so I can learn some content because Im late to it. Like the people on here I swear according to these forums and how people talk every play was a day one clear for every piece of content in the game.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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The anonymous nature of the DF is no longer there as the Contact List can now list the last 50 people you have ever partied with no matter what form of the Duty Finder you use, and even blacklist if necessary. If your scared of making mistakes..well..that's what the PRACTICE option on the RF or PF is there for.

Yes, people don't want bonus in their farm parties because they have already put in the practice using the methods given to them, and if no practice was up, then they either made their own, or joined their FC/Friends on doing them.

If you really want these things on the DF, then your only option at this point is to wait until 4.0. I am sure they will be there, but until then, you will have to hop yourself out of your comfort zone and go after these Primals if you want the experience. That experience won't just come to you going around in circles like this on the forums.

It doesn't pop as fast as the old Primals? Plenty of people have already answered this one, on almost every page of this 8 page thread. I don't think it needs to be repeated.

Since it seems that is you are fighting for new players, you will get more respect if you do indeed PUT YOUR NAME OUT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. And you can do this by putting up a PF and starting a learning party, helping those that aren't familiar with the RF, can't find it, or the queue doesn't pop for them to get their content done. The cross server PF is the perfect time to begin.

Not only will you help yourself in this aspect, but many other people as well getting their feet wet in these fights. Practice isn't the place to criticize folks on messing up mechanics, that's the one thing the NA is usually in agreement with. Anyone that does is someone you don't want in your practice group to begin with and can remove them as you see fit.

As for the Raid finder, it isn't just for those that have completed, but it's also for people to practice as well if they aren't happy with using the PF option. Plenty of people used it for Sophia (myself included ^^) and it is indeed a wonderful thing, not only for people wanting to farm, but for those of us that need to practice as well. My entire time with Sophia was all done thru the RF, learning, failing and learning again before actually clearing in one of those RF learning parties.

The DF is as nice thing yes, but it isn't always ideal for every piece of content. And with the different objectives and skill levels that are randomly put together from the massive pool of players, it just currently isn't necessary or possible to do these things on the DF. What we are given now is a clean way to separate those objectives so that the experience, no matter at the start or towards your farming session is as easy as possible.

The RF attempts to do this.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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You do know SE added the Contact list during the last patch, that shows the name and server of those you had previously partied with and let's you Blacklist them, right?

Plus, people queue for older content like Titan and Ramuh because of Wonderous Tails, Pony Farming, and the occasional farming for crafting mats and usually go in unsynched.

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Originally Posted by Esp

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The anonymous nature of the DF is no longer there as the Contact List can now list the
The RF attempts to do this.

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It looks like I have no other choice, Im just about including people in content not excluding them and thats what rf does. But I just cant wait til after storm blood and have to do unsync so I guess ill have to do a learning party I would of joined one if I saw some up already Im on primal data center and I just mostly see farms or savage. They just should of given us both options instead of one.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

It looks like I have no other choice, Im just about including people in content not excluding them.

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And that's exactly what you can do with starting a learning PF. Include as many that are willing and able to join (which will probably be alot overtime).

You can do it ^^