Do roegadyns ever celebrate a holiday?

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12-16-2016, 02:17 AM
ErryK

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You swapped faces, yes. But you didn't swap the eyes or lips. Show a lapse of a randomizer.

That's not relevant when the changes between eyes and lips are minimal and still give the same look. I'm not advocating that femqo'te are the only ones with this issue, there are two faces on male Roegadyn Hellsguard that are the same, just the facial hair is different. All four faces on female Elezen look like each other. Male Elezen have a young face and then three faces that look similar, bar facial hair options.

It's an issue with a lot of races and genders in this game, but it's most widely seen with femqo'te.

But that's besides the point of the topic. The topic states that Roegadyn are barely seen celebrating any event as the main demographic of this game prefer kawaii desu ne race(s), specifically female Miqo'tes and female Au Ra. A bit of diversity doesn't hurt.
12-16-2016, 02:17 AM
Vivi_Bushido

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Originally Posted by ErryK

https://i.gyazo.com/273bc94dd93f0b92...e8a2875c9f.gif

The one with the darker nose is probably the only one that looks different, but the other three look more-or-less the same, and between the two clans, they're copy-pasted save for the markings and the eyes. Male Roegadyn have four different faces between the two clans. That's just the way I see it.

They look different enough to me.
12-16-2016, 02:19 AM
Kosmos992k

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That's just the way I see it.

Exactly. Statements like yours about all Miqo'te looking the same are as nonsensical in-game as they are about people in general in the real world.
12-16-2016, 02:19 AM
Vejjiegirl

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Almost every single holiday event (except for recent New Years9(Au Ra), Halloween(Au Ra) and Valentines day(Elezen<3) ) has a Miqo'te/Lalafell in the art/Main Quest NPC, although this years Moonfire faire has a Roegadyn, Elezen, and Female Highlander in it (which was amazing btw because Roe, Highlander, and Elezen are the least popular 3).

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3959950
12-16-2016, 02:24 AM
ErryK

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Exactly. Statements like yours about all Miqo'te looking the same are as nonsensical in-game as they are about people in general in the real world.

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.
12-16-2016, 02:28 AM
Kosmos992k

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

**snip post containing several in-game event images selected (cherry picked?) to demonstrate a bias**

As I said with regard to the moonfire faire event this year;

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It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

All you are doing is proving a personal bias. I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender. Even if I did, there is no reason or point in doing so, because all that would happen is we'd see that over time all races/genders get featured, and that there are some trends for which are more frequently used, and they correspond to player character demographics. I honestly don't see a problem there at all. The genders and races most often used by players are the ones most often used for event art, the ones least often used by players are least often used for event art. There is a cause and an effect there. I know that some would like to suggest that the event artwork drives player choice, but I believe that is a total fallacy, player choice is driven by player preference, not whether or not a pretty Au'ra or Miqo'te female is standing in front of a Starlight tree on event artwork.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

Diversity? or positive discrimination? If the choice of NPC and character art for in-game events broadly speaking matches the player character demographics, which is does IMHO, then why is there a problem? Advocate diversity all you like, don't ignore examples that disprove your claim (moonfire Faire), and don't try to link player choice of character race/gender with event art, that's nonsense. People choose to play what they want to play, regardless.

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists. Limsa is ruled by a Roegadyn, Gridana by a Padjal, Uld'ah by a highlander and Lalafel, and Ishgard is ruled, if I am not mistaken by a Elezen. The leader of the Scions is a female midlander. Only one of the Scions is a Miqo'te. I don't remember seeing any male Au'Ra, or Miqo'te in positions of power or influence, and the only miqo'te is Y'shtola and she's a secondary player in the Scions.

If you want to start talking about player races being poorly represented, how about the fact that Miqo'te females are most often represented as courtesans, escorts, exotic dancers or plain old fashioned prostitutes? Seems like female Miqo'te are poorly represented in-game in general when you look at it that way. That doesn't even begin to touch on male Miqo'te, or Au'ra of either gender.
12-16-2016, 02:36 AM
ErryK

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event. If the art is all-inclusive, it would probably work out better IMO and we wouldn't have threads like this... speaking of all-inclusive... this feels a lot like the Starbucks red cup situation... hmm...

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists.

That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.
12-16-2016, 02:43 AM
Kosmos992k

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event.

Well, then, Moonfire Faire 2016 was a pretty crappy event for Miqo'te, Au'ra and Lalafel wasn't it?

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.

LOL, I see, so because I chose - during the beta - to play a female Miqo'te, and chose that because my character in a previous game was female and also based on KOS-MOS, because of that I can't comment, because my choice is catered to? The fact that you say that my choice is catered to demonstrates the point that the artwork is led by player preference, not the other way around, thanks for contradicting your own argument.
12-16-2016, 02:45 AM
Kling-Klang

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

I want to see even more female Miqo'te and Au Ra.
12-16-2016, 03:01 AM
Vejjiegirl

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender.

Just do it.

It isn't just about other races not being included in the artworks. Sometimes they are included HOWEVER they are always in the background.

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/...KlJh1SNnSuzLsE
Giant Picture of Miqo'te, everyone else in the background

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/...kCLXiLLmj9pjis

Again big Miqo'te artwork dead center, poor Roegadyn in the background hardly visable

http://68.media.tumblr.com/01396b241...maho1_1280.png

http://68.media.tumblr.com/a0d1d02d9...amaho1_540.png

Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...png?1467272215
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...de/goldsaucer/

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

http://cdn.linkresearchtools.com/wp-...ption-meme.png

Lightining returns X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7a3221ddd3.jpg

PSO2 X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV (even though FFXIV's exclusive Race Au Ra was already released)
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV62_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV71_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV70_thumb.jpg

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/06...r-event-begun/

Y'shotla (A Miqo'te) in Dissidia to represent FFXIV
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TIHmIwWUgYE/maxresdefault.jpg
Y'shtola (A Miqo'te) in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call to represent FFXIV

Why not him? https://i.redd.it/t97j71moerrx.png

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