WHM stoneskin II and virus

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

As a new player this is so intimidating haha I main a whm and I have been playing scholar as well ha I have no clue how u guys get all these numbers so lost haha , I just try not to let people die hahaha i guess im doing it all wrong

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Numbers don't matter with healing, unless it's dps numbers. Those always matter. *-*

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Do a quick test. Potency scales. You'll notice that if physick does X, then Adlo will do (3/4)X. Embrace will do (2/3)Adlo healing, when it should do the same. (1/2)physick works as well. 200 potency.

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It seems a bit closer to 250 with my tests, but I do see what you mean. At this moment I'm not completely infested into this conversation to do an actual field test and was just using the numbers the game gave me.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

To add more technical depth to this, the Fairy stats scale differently in HW versus AAR. While the fairy is the same level as their master/mistress, at level 60 their stats are basically scaled down by 33% (thus a 300 potency embrace is approximately 200 potency when comparing it to how hard the master / mistress can heal for).

[Edit] This was an intentional change from the S-E dev team that actually wasn't in any patch notes when 3.0 was launched. The only reason we know about it is because it was a response to a question on a live letter at the beginning of HW.

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I did happen to look that up after it was mention, figure they should of done a more patch note on it, but whatever lol

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Originally Posted by Kathranis

It seems a bit closer to 250 with my tests, but I do see what you mean.

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It's funny because this comment alone reminded me of a thought I had based on my observations back when I tested Fairy potency at the beginning of 3.0. It always felt like the MD or MND or SOMETHING scaled much better on the Fairy than the master / mistress, thus I had a thought that eventually the fairy power would be more in line with their master / mistress near the end of the patch cycle.

Just for reference, the potency of Embrace was approximately 150 on a SCH with 284 MND, 218 DET, and using a level 1 book (8 MD). A potency of 250 on Fairy embrace at this ilevel wouldn't be out of the question in my mind.

.... I think I'm going to need to test this when I get home tonight just for my own curiosity. >>; lol

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Originally Posted by mp-please

Most of the important tank busters ingame are magic based. Yes, virus is nice to have for the few physical busters but you actually have to check battle log/parse to see if virus is actually affecting said buster.

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Or ask your MT if he blocked/parried the buster. You know, that's also an option. Wait, communications not possible? Don't mind me then...

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Or ask your MT if he blocked/parried the buster. You know, that's also an option. Wait, communications not possible? Don't mind me then...

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That works too. The passive aggressiveness could've stayed at home though.

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Originally Posted by Kathranis

<takes a deep breath>

Scholar:Physick: 300,Embrace: 300(but random if don't control), Shield: 300(shield is not healing, it is migration so crit point doesn't matter), 400 indom, 600 lustrate, eos regin: 100, succor: 150 = 2,150 potency give or take and that is giving all heals unless miss one

AST: 400 benefic, 650 benefic II, Helios 300, digi 400,aspected benefic: 190,250,150(regen), aspected helios: 200,150,240. Total: 2140/2150/2140

WHM: Cure 400, Cure II 650, Regen 150, Medica II 250, Medica 300, Cure III 550, Assite 300, Asylum 100, Tetragation 700, Benediction Full. Total: 3400 total cure potency + Full heal

Now child, sit down before you embarrass yourself more.

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Senpai, can you teach me your.... beefed up 6x version of dual cast which allows me to cast Cure Cure II Regen Medica II Medica and Cure III in 1 GCD?
Kids say the darnest things.

People really think that raw numbers mean anything.

Sure WHMs raw numbers are a tiny bit higher, but the CDs and utility the other healer bring is what actually matters.
WHM has not to offer other than these raw numbers.

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Originally Posted by mp-please

That works too. The passive aggressiveness could've stayed at home though.

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My apologies, but it's annoying to see people spreading the incorrect notion that the only way to figure anything out is through use of a parser. There's plenty of tells in game as well.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Well there's the thing. It isn't "much" higher healing. Maybe if our healing output was noticeably higher than SCH and AST it would be fine, but AST can outright best our healing throughput and SCH has a cure III level aoe burst heal on a CD.
Every other class can do high healing, but WHM can't do mitigation. That's where it becomes unfair.

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Thanks, I guess in practice the ability to pump out more heals doesn't really come into play as much as it would need to in order to make that higher potential actually be useful and realized. At least that seems to be what a lot of folks in here are getting at. And that due to that the lacking mitigation makes WHM more lackluster than it could be.

My statement was more based on that idea of the classl/job vs. what is real in practice. I haven't played a ton of healers in XIV so my statement was more based on how the game presents the classes rather than how they play in practice.

Anyway, thanks for setting me straight!

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Senpai, can you teach me your.... beefed up 6x version of dual cast which allows me to cast Cure Cure II Regen Medica II Medica and Cure III in 1 GCD?
Kids say the darnest things.

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I'm not quite sure what you are getting at O-o. I wasn't placing them in any rotation, it was just a my first take on the potential healing output O-o.