Patch 3.38 Discussion

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

The 210 step should have been made easier, the 230 step should have been more difficult, the 240 step more difficult than that, the next ilevel more difficult than that and so on and so forth. There would have been absolutely nothing wrong with them making the 210 an easier step than it was followed by ramping up the difficulty (again, in increments, not exponentially) if you wanted to keep building up that weapon.

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At the time, 210 was the max ilvl. It HAD to be brutal. Like the other poster said, Gordias was already tearing the raiding community a new butthole, and you want to undermine them by handing out a welfare 210 weapon several months before the usual catch up patch? That wouldn't be fair to those players.

Granted, they later admitted that entire patch cycle was a mistake and that the gordian weapon should have been 215, but it's not like the way it went down wasn't understandable

Ah yes, thank you square for making me waste two months and burning out on your game... Ugh

Things are now how they should have been from the start aside the weekly limitation of the midan gears. That is, it should have been 4 weeks instead of 7 right from the start.But now its too late, this is the problem with the game, making more accesible irrelevant content is not a good thing, they need to make more accesible relevant content. If these were have been the conditions for the relics right off the bat, all those quest and progress would be repeated and live much longer, be much more active, since with ease of access also comes replayability. People would repeat the quests several times if they were just half as long, making content to be relevant and alive for much longer.

Now is too late. This game greatest design flaw. Content gets irrelevant too quickly, content takes too long to access, and afraid of people "burning through content" they make it so it takes too long, killing any chance of replayablity since by the end of 1 "walkthrough" people is just done and probably is something better coming soon anyway.

Is what dead palace is going to face now... The whole reward balance of this game is messed up. Is taking its toll in the game, its population health and its capability to retain people... Grind needs to slowdown, be cut at least in half and the relevance of gear needs to be extended...

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

Like the other poster said, Gordias was already tearing the raiding community a new butthole, and you want to undermine them by handing out a welfare 210 weapon several months before the usual catch up patch?

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Why can there never be any nuance? There can be a spot between "brutal" and "welfare." Asking for something to be easier than it is doesn't mean wanting it to be given away.

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i don't see the point, if you were waiting on a 210 nerf, then your going to be just as stuck on the 240 step.

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Not necessarily. It's a whole lot easier to get through the 210 step now without needing to spend esoterics on it, allowing more of them to be saved for umbrites.

I noticed in advance that I'd need a ton of umbrites and only esoterics could buy them, so I've been reserving esos for that... but that cost of that was that it slowed down progress on the i210 step. That isn't a concern anymore.

I did my relic 210 before this nerf but I'm not upset about it, cause I didn't burn through it and did it at my own pace.

I skipped the Anima relic and went straight up to Padjali weapons. 210 is only good for glamour at this point.

I guess my only real complaint other than the amount of notice time is that the marketboard items are obtainable literally without spending any gil now and they don't even have to be HQ. I double checked the 2.0 relic just to see and you have to buy the old HQ items still, there is no other way.

I'm by no means poor but if I knew the items would be obtainable later on without spending any gil, that would have been my priority regardless of the wait time simply so I could upgrade other classes and my crafting. Basically for the next relic assuming their will be, avoid any and all gil spending steps like the plague or just avoid it all together till its nerfed into oblivion like the 2.0 one. We all know its just going to be glamour at some point.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Things are now how they should have been from the start aside the weekly limitation of the midan gears. That is, it should have been 4 weeks instead of 7 right from the start.But now its too late, this is the problem with the game, making more accesible irrelevant content is not a good thing, they need to make more accesible relevant content. If these were have been the conditions for the relics right off the bat, all those quest and progress would be repeated and live much longer, be much more active, since with ease of access also comes replayability. People would repeat the quests several times if they were just half as long, making content to be relevant and alive for much longer.

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Why is it too late? With the addition of being able to upgrade the lore weapon to 240 it is timed just right to uncap the Midan Gear so people can get all the gears they need to get the weapon without waiting for 7 weeks. It still take little over 2 weeks to get it as the 1000 lore cost is still there.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Why is it too late? With the addition of being able to upgrade the lore weapon to 240 it is timed just right to uncap the Midan Gear so people can get all the gears they need to get the weapon without waiting for 7 weeks. It still take little over 2 weeks to get it as the 1000 lore cost is still there.

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These i240 weapons will become obsolete in 6-7 weeks with the release of 3.4. (My speculation though but it should be somewhere around that time frame.)

I agree, though. If these quests for relics weren't so damned grindy, I'd do them multiple times. The way it is now should have been how it was in the very beginning. I see no reason why we can't go back to the way 2.0 handled the relic weapons quests. (You know, the ones that made you do Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan HM when the highest item level was 90/95 and most people probably had Darklight gear at i70.)