Future leader of Apa Mhigo

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Originally Posted by Belhi

They same could be said about the Ishgardians leading into HW. We have had a number of friendly Ala Mhigans along the way as well as the jerks. Yda, Raubahn, and a bunch of the folks from Little Ala Mhigo. Wilred was a decent and earnest kid once he learned his lesson. I might be in the minority but his murder is one of the things that makes me less incline to be forgiving to Ilberd.

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I dont think you are on the minority, a lot of ppl ( myself ) agreed. Killing your own countrymen and that also share a same goal, its the biggest betrayal that he could have made, and lost all honor that had left.
I'm sure he will play the role as a major villian on the 4.0 expansion.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I might be in the minority but his murder is one of the things that makes me less incline to be forgiving to Ilberd.

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I'd be content with just lopping his arms off tbh. ;)

I do want to see Ilberd bring Raubahn down a few more pegs though. Again, bias at play here but I loathe Raubahn's character. He's just another arrogant loudmouth who is inexplicably powerful enough to clash directly with what is very likely to be the most powerful individual in Eorzea even after losing a limb.

I would have preferred for him to have been humbled, for his injury to be more meaningful. Yet as with pretty much everything else at the end of 2.0 the status quo didn't change at all. I can't help but find his relationship with Nanamo creepy rather than cute. Though so long as it doesn't become canon it's hard to hold it against him.

As far as Ilberd, goes? I don't want him to be another Ysayle. Lady Iceheart came across as someone who we could very well side with or at least reason with very early on. She was misguided, sure, but she played a major part in bringing the dirty secrets of Ishgard to light. She even sacrificed herself for that cause. She still had blood on her hands though - even if it was unintentional. Ilberd, meanwhile, doesn't come across as particularly sympathetic. He's arrogant and more than willing to kill people with the same goals as him such as Wilred. Ysayle didn't kill anyone we knew and worked with directly (unless I'm not recalling stuff correctly).

Plus Ilberd being an outright and permanent antagonist leaves plenty of room for us to oppose him and the men loyal to him. If he does something horrible such as slaughter a bunch of non-combatants than not only does it make more influential Eorzeans more morally dubious but it adds another complexity to the situation with Ala Mhigo and opens up a solid reason to side with some Garleans who remain loyal to their homeland and people but do not wish to see needless bloodshed on either side.

In short, when it comes to Garlemald the more inspiration the developers take from The Archadian Empire in FFXII the better as far as I'm concerned.

Seconded, I also loathe Raubahn for similar reasons. It is a shame that he did not expire following the whole Nanamo incident. As little as I like Ilberd, I prefer him over Raubahn and Nanamo.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Seconded, I also loathe Raubahn for similar reasons. It is a shame that he did not expire following the whole Nanamo incident. As little as I like Ilberd, I prefer him over Raubahn and Nanamo.

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You can saw byebye to him. Ilberd wont last much longer.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I do want to see Ilberd bring Raubahn down a few more pegs though. Again, bias at play here but I loathe Raubahn's character. He's just another arrogant loudmouth who is inexplicably powerful enough to clash directly with what is very likely to be the most powerful individual in Eorzea even after losing a limb.

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Not sure what to think of that. I don't see Raubahn as a traitor, but I do think he might have a lesser version of why you accuse Cid and Lucia of (to Ala Mhigo, Not Garlemald).

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I would have preferred for him to have been humbled, for his injury to be more meaningful. Yet as with pretty much everything else at the end of 2.0 the status quo didn't change at all. I can't help but find his relationship with Nanamo creepy rather than cute. Though so long as it doesn't become canon it's hard to hold it against him.

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I'm confused... What relationship are you talking about? a familiar one or a Ship?

On the Humbling, I supposed it would be interesting if Illberd got to Ala Mhigo first and accused Raubahn of Treachery there, making him the target of the ire of those not wanting to liberate them from Garlemald. Think about it. 2 Factions, one loyal to Garlmald, the other loyal to Illberd. The latter hating Raubahn and Ul'Dah and willing to wage war with them after ousting the Garlean occupiers.

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As far as Ilberd, goes? I don't want him to be another Ysayle. Lady Iceheart came across as someone who we could very well side with or at least reason with very early on. She was misguided, sure, but she played a major part in bringing the dirty secrets of Ishgard to light. She even sacrificed herself for that cause. She still had blood on her hands though - even if it was unintentional. Ilberd, meanwhile, doesn't come across as particularly sympathetic. He's arrogant and more than willing to kill people with the same goals as him such as Wilred. Ysayle didn't kill anyone we knew and worked with directly (unless I'm not recalling stuff correctly).

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I agree. I'd rather he'd side with the Ascians then the WoL at this point. I loath the guy for what he did for Nanamo and the Scions, and would like the chance to show him how revenge/karma feels like (Hint; It tastes like Ahk Morn)

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Plus Ilberd being an outright and permanent antagonist leaves plenty of room for us to oppose him and the men loyal to him. If he does something horrible such as slaughter a bunch of non-combatants than not only does it make more influential Eorzeans more morally dubious but it adds another complexity to the situation with Ala Mhigo and opens up a solid reason to side with some Garleans who remain loyal to their homeland and people but do not wish to see needless bloodshed on either side.

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That would be an interesting twist, but I have a feeling that any attempt at that would just add more people to your "Category Traitor" list. Instead. Especially since we are likely going to Ala Mhigo to sever Garlemald's foot in the door. Thought we haven't met any civilians yet, it stands to reason that most of them would be indoctrinated (if not outright tempered. Given the 1.0 scene with Gaius and the refugees, I expect they found a way to artificially temper others to further their anti-primal goals).

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In short, when it comes to Garlemald the more inspiration the developers take from The Archadian Empire in FFXII the better as far as I'm concerned.

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Agreed, but I think that there are too many differences between the two empires for it to be possible. Mainly where as Vayne willingly worked with a god to stop the gods from controlling Destiny. Solus and Varis seem (keyword italicized) to be using it as an excuse for World Domination, and likely sees all deiform entities as beings to be purged, liley up to and includeing the giant blue crystal that the planet is named after. Guess time will tell if their viewpoint is correct or not.

On a side note. I want to ask if the Archadean empire ever threatened to kill all the Bangaa or Seeq? My memory of XII is a little bit hazy

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

Gaius Van Baelsar. We didnt see him dead after all. After we beat him he finally realised he was blinded by the ascians and joines our side. I'd love that.
Make Gaius great again.

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While I'm not entirely opposed to this, there would need to be a bit of a redemption story here as a lot of bad things were done in Ala Mhigo under his watch and as governor that is really on his head.

Also, I believe Yoshi P did say in an interview that Gaius is supposed to be dead but if they did bring him back in the future, it probably wouldn't be how people seem to want him back. SE plans WAY in advance.

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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The elementals have a more important things to do than dealing with Ala Mhigo, to be honest I dont think they even care at all.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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No. More to the point, its worth remembering that the Autumn war was a hundred years prior. While there would probably be some agro pasted down, that's a long time ago. No one living in Gridania these days would have actually been around at the time it was fought. The elementals aren't that caught up in politics. They don't reject Ala Mhigans specifically. After all there are several cases of Ala Mhigans have accepted. Elementals judge people individually on wether they feel the individual will be a detriment to the twelveswood.

I don't see either the Elementals or the Gridanians interfering with any attempt to drive the Garleans out of Ala Mhigo or even set up the city state again. Removal of the Garleans, like all the city states, is in their interests and probably the primary reason the Eorzean Alliance would move against Ala Mhigo next expac. Whatever the Ala Mhigans did 100 years prior, the Garleans have a bloody big Castrum smack dab in the twelveswood right now, sending incursions into the forest and inciting the local Sylphs. The Garleans are the reason the Sylphs chose to summon Ramuh in the first place.