Accuracy thread again!

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Originally Posted by Sidra

spend 5 minutes to hit a node*

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*Once you've fully leveled mining and botany, unlocked the necessary folklore books, and achieved at least 720 gathering and 740 perception for HQ. Seems like a lot of needless effort just to regain the ability to hit things competently in 4 man content.

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Originally Posted by Sidra

Now, I am not gonna disagree Accuracy is kind of a dumb stat.

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Please do explain how accuracy as a stat enhances the experience of this game. Or any MMO for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

*Once you've fully leveled mining and botany, unlocked the necessary folklore books, and achieved at least 720 gathering and 740 perception for HQ. Seems like a lot of needless effort just to regain the ability to hit things competently in 4 man content.

Please do explain how accuracy as a stat enhances the experience of this game. Or any MMO for that matter.

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Look man - I don't remember the last time I upgraded gear or spent put in any effort on my botanist, and all I need is some NQ Dhalmel food and I can do it. 3.0 released like 8 months ago, I have some of the 150 gear melded gear, a red scrip main hand, and bought the offhand...although they now just released a scrip equivalent. My miner is close enough that if I wanted something with it, its just an upgrade or two away. Regardless, it's been 7 months where you could have casually got your gatherer up to speed to be ready for whats next. You didn't? Ok. But where is personal accountability in all of this? Instead of complaining why not thing "Oh man, maybe I should have, at somepoint over the last 7 months gotten my gatherers up. well I didn't so now I should so that I can more easily cap my healer acc for the new content." Done. Why is the reaction to come and complain on a forum about 3.2 healer accuracy instead of fixing your gatherer up, waiting a week and spending some gil...whatever the myriad of options you have available to you - and getting the ACC you need. You could have had gatherer reqs for 6-7 months. If you don't - that's YOUR fault. So be it, no big deal. But don't...complain...fix it. This is an MMO, time investment in your character leads to better charter performance...as it should. If you ever get to a point where you feel like your character progress is slowed or hindered, you always should look at what you can do first. If the game has given you the tools the developer has done their part. And when there isn't a solution (like AST at 3.0 release) make a case.

In general, I don't like the accuracy stat. Sadly, I am not a paid developer of this game. I play it, I don't make it. And since there is accuracy...and now you can meld it onto gear with ease, I don't see the point in complaining about it. The game has enough problems that you literally can't alleviate in game that this just seems like an bad poor use of complaining time.

Simple answer, I don't like gathering, and up to this point it's never played a major factor in playing healer in the content I usually do. I play this game for the social experience. Doing enjoyable activities with people I care about. I sure as shit am not going to spend what little time I do have in the week huddled in some lonely corner of the world brainlessly clicking the same 3 or 4 nodes because 'oh no, SE might all of a sudden change how things have been up to this point'.

When you're online admonishing people in a game about personal accountability and taking a hardcore approach to casual content, it may be time to take a step back and reevaluate things. What's interesting is on the one hand you seem to agree that the accuracy stat sucks...and yet you don't want people to say anything negative about the state of the game. It is okay to like something and still make note of its flaws, friend.

People complained about story being locked behind Coil because they didn't want to raid. But if you make the decision not to raid, isn't it logical to assume you may miss out on something like story (now we have this normal mode crap which is a total waste of design space - we already have dungeons and 24 mans for faceroll content)? When the new relic were released, they items cost about 4m to complete and people were complaining that you needed gil for stuff. But gil exists in this game, shouldn't there be stuff you can buy with it? And if you don't make gil because you don't enjoy and gil making activities - isn't it logical to assume at some point you are going to miss out on something, or something will be more difficult for you to obtain because you've elected not to make money? Same thing with botany/mining - items for this new equipment is makeable with it...if you don't enjoy it fine - but do so with the understanding that at some point its going to be harder for you to acquire things which would be the fruits of that labor. We can't predict the future - skipping any sort of character development or content may cause issues for you in the future. That's not a bad thing.

There are things in this game I don't enjoy doing. I simply won't do them - and I don't do them knowing there are things I will never have as a result - I live with it because it's my choice. You will never hear me complaining about not having those rewards from those things, ever - because it's a choice I've made. It just annoys me to no end people intentionally forgoing content for whatever reason - but then complaining about not having whatever is locked behind the stuff they choose not to do.

And to me, if accuracy should or shouldn't be in the game and it's validity as a stat is a totally different discussion than boo-hoo I'm missing even though I could go make myself not miss. I'd support the first if SE decided to change it - and the second is just whining when you have the power to fix the situation on your own.

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Originally Posted by Sidra

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If Final Fantasy is pretty good at something I like to think it is at 2 things:
Story Telling
Some kind of Difficult/time consuming content.

The Issue is that, that Main Story based stuff was never traditionally locked behind difficult/time consuming content. Nor do I believe should it be. Imagine locking Aerith's Death and all content beyond that point behind Emerald Weapon. Or Story behind Dark Aeons in FFX. Really any relevant plot behind some what is meant to be endgame content. Additional information on the world/lore is fine.... But Coil unlocks some really important stuff with some really important people... It's Main Storyline material for sure. The only other game in the franchise that did do this was FFxi, And sure, I felt like a snowflake for completing the Promys months ahead of everyone else. But Promys locked out an entire god damn expansion including it's areas. And some people never did beat them until they got nerfed a year or 3 later. I was lucky and leveled summoner specifically to be able to do that on launch.

And yeah, it's fine if people don't want to do Coil or Savage Alexander, just like it's fine if people don't want to fight the Dark Aeons and Emerald Weapon. Or it's fine not to Mine... It's W/e.. That is there choice. But I don't believe it's acceptable to lock what they locked behind coil in terms of plot progression and they understood what they did and fixed the problem with Alexander. I don't think doing what they did with Alexander in 2 different skill classifications is a bad thing. Most people aren't challenging Savage either because of time restraints, lack of people, not wanting the headache, ect. At least with this Step down in difficulty they have a chance at experiencing a fun fight with some rewards PLUS the story. Having more content for more people is never a bad thing.

As for Accuracy Issues, I'm also experiencing them on Scholar. I won't be melding Accuracy on anything because unless Square-Enix changes their stance on Healer Dmg, It'll all soon be an exercise in futility anyways. I mean it's only gonna get worse as time goes on and content gets more difficult to hit, unlike the recent tank nerf, content difficulty is slowly taking care of us Healers Dmg.
Believe you me, if they don't increase my to-do list to make up for not being able to land Dots/do some dmg on Sch and i'm sitting there with my thumbs up my ass. I'll just switch to a DPS.

I said this in the tank section cuz I also Warrior. But I'll say it here:
"Tanks and Healers are the only 2 class categories in the game which are effectively losing access to skills as they get into group content, where as DPS skill-sets expand through positionals and utility."

We lose complexity, DPS gain complexity. Well then... *slow clap*

I'm not really digging the whole... lowering of the skill ceiling on tank/healer classes just because daddy told us we shouldn't be doing Dmg.

I wouldn't really mind it if they made the new Savage raid actually give healers, y'know, stuff to HEAL. I don't find using maybe 75% of the spells in my toolkit in a raiding environ particularly hard just because "OMG I have to push these DPS buttons". I want a raid so healing intensive that it makes me puke blood. One where I can't just solo heal 90% of it and watch my raid SCH's fairy do the remaining 10%. One where I'm using all the spells in my arsenal, and praying my MP, attention span, and tendons in my mouse hand don't just give up and break down. (I can't be the only masochist that wants this, yeah?)

...But missing about 1/3 of my offensive spells in zzzzzz boring easy mode content is just infuriating. It's like Square WANTS me to put up A.Benefic and twiddle my thumbs while watching Netflix. I certainly won't complain if they lower the acc caps on faceroll content to healer-accessible levels (and quit conflating Cleric Stance with difficulty re: raid-level healing, but I haven't attempted Midas Savage yet so here's hoping).

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Originally Posted by Sidra

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You seem to be confusing me for someone who complains about not having what everyone else has. On the contrary, I generally don't covet the accomplishments of others. If someone persevered through the horrid crafting and gathering grinds of Heavensward, they should totally reap the financial reward of that standing, they certainly earned it. On the same note, if someone has bought and melded their gear, I'm totally okay with them having a higher dps potential than what my equipment allows, because again they've earned that. Up to this point, those kinds of things haven't really impacted the way I played the game. What does bother me, however, is the sudden paradigm shift that SE seemed to implement in 3.2. Prior to the patch, in casual content like expect roulette, if I missed it felt sufficiently rare for me to shrug it off. And it's been that way since 2.0. Since the most recent patch, however, my miss rate in the same brand of content has shot up noticeably. So much so, that crafted gear suddenly feels more necessary than it ever has in the 2.5 year history of the re-release of this game. All so I can satisfy a nuisance stat that trumps player skill with a random number generator, a stat you've now agreed multiple times is poorly implemented. And as Kaeoni pointed out, the accuracy cap in these kinds of dungeons, the accuracy cap is only going to grow. I don't envy new players that finish leveling up a healer in 3.3 and beyond who don't yet have a decent supply of heaven's eye materia.

When it gets down to it, this seems to be the solution you're suggesting. If you want to reach accuracy cap, please gear in fully melded ilvl 220 pieces and bring your best accuracy raising consumables. For content that's...designed for ilvl 180 and rewards ilvl 195. Does it really not strike you as odd that we need to so massively out gear the dungeon just to achieve the hit cap? Really?

You'd need about 1 left side crafted melded with accuracys, and then some accuracy in the 1 or 2 slots on your tome/alex gear. But if not? Missing is annoying, but you aren't losing in the dungeon. Even at 80% ACC you're helping add some dps. If it was required to clear the dungeon I'd agree with you...but it's not. Just alleviates an annoyance while simaeltaneously prepping you for other content. Anyway, I think that's it for me here, I've said my piece - and the world wold be so boring if everyone agreed on everything!

Mmmm, lore gear accuracy melds. I wanna do it, but if im not going to meet the accuracy cap required to hit 100% of the time, is it even worth it?

This is the question that's holding me back from going ham with accuracy on my scholar.

Has anyone figured out on the acc needed. Was thinking of adding acc to all the accessories will that be enough