Gods and Jobs

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Originally Posted by Fear

How the hell is THM, a class that deals with haunting and sacrificing their own life to heal others look to be a WHM?

CNJ has Cures, Raise, Curaga, Protect, Shell = ALL WHM
THM Has Sacrifice (halming them selves), Resurect (death magic) = BLM & Dark Knight (for its emo-ness)

Its obvious....

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To reiterate, current skillsets are a poor argument because they're all getting shuffled around and changed come 1.20 anyways. Lore is already well established, so it's a more concrete foundation to base theories on.

Even with that said, going the skill route, BLM has always been defined by its elemental magics (all of which CON posesses) rather than "dark" magics. Skills are unclear in regards to job definitions right now, which is why it'll be clearer once 1.20 rolls around.

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Originally Posted by Firon

THM doesn't even point to whm. CON actually points to both tbh and its gonna be stuck w/ whm lol

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I'm just giving a general census of what everyone in this thread has been saying. I don't necessarily agree with the whole concept.

I do agree though with the skill sets so far. CNJ to me, will end up being whm.

You're all wrong. CNJ is going to get both BLM and WHM. THMs will cease to exist.



but no, seriously. CNJ is getting BLM. BLM's aren't evil, you're reading too much into their names. THM doesn't fit BLM by any other merit than it's "evil". It has access to astral magick like Banish and Dia, while CNJ has access to elemental magick such as Flare, Flood, Fire, Blizzard, etc.

Not to quote their current skill sets, as these will be shuffled, but BLM is an elementalist (Which is actually what they call CNJ in other languages). They aren't evil.

Oh, and yeah, they gave CNJ Curaga because they... you know... already had Cure. Sacrificega wouldn't quite work.

/end loosethreadrant.

Q1: CNJ is BLM. THM is WHM.

Q2: I am God. All 13 of them.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I've said it before, I'll say it again - I cannot see White Mage evolving from a guild that worships sin, considers death profit, and runs a mausoleum. It just... I can't.

Also, they've known about the job system for a long time, they wouldn't have given CON three raises and two AoE cures if they weren't trying to single it out as the WHM ahead of time.

And THM very much deals in the elements.

Banish and Scourge each contain 33.3% of three elements. It's called polarity.

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I also can't see a group of pit fighters who slaughter others for profit becoming holy defenders. But yet gladiators are to become paladins.

Consider this, also. Though THMs worship Nald'Thal (god of life and death), the actual guild is physically stationed in the temple of Thal (god of death). This would probably account for the THM quests leaning toward darker behaviors. I imagine that things involving WHM would be stationed in the temple of Nald (god of life), to balance this.

In essence, WHM wouldn't conflict with THM, it would provide balance to it. Given all things, it fits neatly with the lore, like a missing puzzle piece.

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Originally Posted by Stjevne

Not to quote their current skill sets, as these will be shuffled, but BLM is an elementalist (Which is actually what they call CNJ in other languages). They aren't evil.

Oh, and yeah, they gave CNJ Curaga because they... you know... already had Cure. Sacrificega wouldn't quite work.

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Patently wrong, and something I've seen pop up repeatedly in this thread. Black mages specialize in attack magic and debuffs. White mages have traditionally specialized in curative and defensive magicks. The only reason why black mages have seemed to be elementalists is because the primary forms of offensive magic in the series has usually been elemental, but there's also spells like poison and drains, which thaum also has which are also the domain of the black mage.

*goes to watch porn and totally ignores this thread*

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Patently wrong, and something I've seen pop up repeatedly in this thread. Black mages specialize in attack magic and debuffs. White mages have traditionally specialized in curative and defensive magicks. The only reason why black mages have seemed to be elementalists is because the primary forms of offensive magic in the series has usually been elemental, but there's also spells like poison and drains, which thaum also has which are also the domain of the black mage.

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So are you saying that a white mage is more fitting of the term "elementalist"?

Thaumaturge is a class which deals with death and LIFE. Whitemage makes sense as a subset or specialisation of THM which deals with the LIFE component of Thaumatury, allowing for the possibility of another job to come along in the future which specialises in the death component.

It's easier to reshuffle abilities than to restructure the entire lore of the game which is what people want when they say WHM should belong to CON.

I guess it could go both ways, but THM is the most obvious ancestor to WHM.