Scion purchaseable sets limited by gender? Why?!

If it can be gender nuetral make it gender nuetral.

The people playing male characters were only upset at the idea of making a dress glamour, and then not making male glamour to go with it.

If you look at it and it can be gender nuetral it should be. Or let guy wear girly clothes I'm fine with that too. If you give females minfilia outfit, like someone said earlier maybe give Gaius costume to males in the same update so it feels equal. Not give 6 gender nuetral looking gear, and split it into 3 male and 3 female exclusives. That's bad IMO.

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Originally Posted by ckb

Men should wear men's stuff and women should wear women's. You want more men's stuff ask for it. You want to cross dress, do it in real life.

You're gay, you're proud, fine we get it. I don't superimpose my straightness on you so please stop typing to do that with your lifestyle to me.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. What constitutes 'manly' and 'womanly' dress varies wildly across borders to the point that it's nonsensical, and the game already accommodates all kinds of 'alternative lifestyle' materials without a problem. Its inclusive sense of design is probably one of the things which attracts people to this game in the first place.

As has been said already, your post is the very definition of 'superimposing' your 'straightness' on others. You voluntarily came into this clearly-labelled thread without any understanding of the issues being discussed, indiscriminately decided you had everyone's real sexual orientation and gender figured out (how are any of these things relevant?) and then complained that we should all cross dress in real life (???) rather than ask to be able to give Square-Enix money. We just want to have some fun in a game.

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the endless whining about this stuff is out of control. You're gay, you're proud, fine we get it.

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Actually, if I were a lesbian, maybe I wouldn't be as bothered by the fact that only females get sexy clothes in recent updates. Though even then, I'd likely expect other people to get the same options for males. Since I'm not a lesbian and am in fact straight as you seem to want everyone to be, it's my male characters whom I want sexy gear for.

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If this isn't about a lifestyle and actually about male options then ask for that outright instead this nonsense about men being able to wear Minfilia's outfit.

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There's nothing particularly feminine about Minfilia's outfit except that Minfilia herself is a woman. She's wearing a short shirt and pants with a sort of half-skirt thing that hangs down behind her.

• The shirt shows off the bust of a large breasted woman like Minfilia, but without a woman's bustline would just be a shirt with some decorative accents that ends high enough to show off the wearer's abs. No reason for that not to look good on a guy. Macho guys with well toned abs may well like to show them off once in a while.
• The pants and boots are certainly masculine enough for anyone.
• The half skirt thing that hangs behind them isn't a style that either gender wears in the real world, but appears to be a commonly unisex style in Eorzea, so it doesn't seem to have a gender association in either direction.
• Westerners might regard the default pink color as feminine, though that color association isn't as common in Japan, and in any case, most of those who want it unisex also want it dyable.

So what exactly was your problem with that outfit on males?

The way they introduced the outfit isn't even worth buying it.

But sure, bring on the Manfilias....just make sure to pull your skirt OVER the butt crack please.....

After 8 pages I was expecting to see some photoshopped images of a male character in minfillia gear.

You have failed me forum users. :(

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That's a fair response. Honestly I'm not really affected either way on the subject matter. We have items already that look like skirts on guys. My original post was more or less trying to figure out if the issue was gearing options for men or gender neutrality. I really only took a side for the sake of devils advocate. My only real issue was if it was about gender neutrality rather than male gearing options but I can agree to disagree on that. Anyhow, thanks for the clarification and I hope I cleared that up for you too.

Someone told me Papalimo outfit was there also, it is not:(
All i care about really, lol
And no offence but i do not ever want to see some guy dressed up in a Minfilia outfit

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It's interesting then that the staff have been responding

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I haven't changed stances I've been against a gender neutral agenda from the beginning. I attempted to discern the root cause while giving my own opinion on the outfits. The other person asked me what effect did it have on me? From that perspective it doesn't and I considered that a fair argument and point scored to him/her. I think you should reread what I've posted. I have been aggressive but my opinion remains the same. You can keep your tip. I only showed the hand I've been playing with from the beginning.

Is this Tumblr?

It's ok. I don't want to watch men wearing Minfilia outfit because it makes no sense.

It would be ok if they make the Hildibrand women costume because it's lore-wise and it makes sense.

What will you ask next? furry cosplays?

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It's ok. I don't want to watch men wearing Minfilia outfit because it makes no sense.

It would be ok if they make the Hildibrand women costume because it's lore-wise and it makes sense.

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I'd like further explanation if you don't mind, as I wasn't aware of the in-game lore around Minfilia having a uniquely feminine outfit only women could wear. I recognise that this is all your personal opinion but if something has to be shown on a female in-game for it to be valid wear for female characters, there are quite a large number of comical glamour items which make no sense already (and don't get me started on mounts).

This topic was originally about a player with a female character wanting to use Urianger's outfit, which I don't think breaks any lore since it's a cowl. Likewise Minfilia's costume has already been discussed in detail and shown for what it is; boots (equippable by guys already), tights (equippable by guys already), an open skirt (equippable by guys already), gloves (equippable by guys already) and a crop top (equippable by guys already). Look, here's a picture I Googled showing someone achieving what is (coincidentally) a very similar look with existing in-game items.

I believe that the existence of that picture challenges all arguments about precedent and Eorzea's societal norms in one fell swoop, so perhaps we can get back to the core of the debate; characters of both genders are losing out with the current trend in gender locking gear.

Edit: There's also the male cosplayer who dressed as Minfilia at an official FFXIV event last year. Not only was it allowed, the staff loved it. More precedent.