Normal/Savage Alexander complaint

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

If we must have a normal mode for people who think they can't raid then I'd prefer savage come out first, then the easier mode for catch up. Story isn't as big of an issue it's more the fact that half the fight is pretty much spoiled and you know which bosses are coming up, takes away from the excitement of progression. I think there's still a lot of room for improvement with the raids in general though but that's another thing altogether.

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We need real raids that isn't just 1 path of trash then a boss fight and we need to have at lest 2 full party's in said raids.

But yes VargasVermillion I can get behind your suggestion only problem is that the people who would prefer doing the story one will whine till they got their way.

Normal mode content should always come out before hard mode content it's game design 101. People complaint about having to do normal mode raid before hard mode want story and gear exclusivity which will anger 80% of the player base. There isn't a game on the market that lets players complete hard mode before beating normal mode since every game forces players to go through normal mode to unlock hard mode difficulty of the game.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant

Thats how Eso and Savage gear works now, both are i210, doesn't any different to make Law Tome gear match Alexander Normal gear. But this has already been and gone now.

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Eso is i200, with upgrade to i210 possible by getting items currently only found in Savage alexander. Both eso and savage is capped.
Law tome and upgrades are uncapped. Alexander normal is capped.
It would make a huge difference if upgraded law tome gear was same ilevel as alex normal.

Don't worry, sit back, take a break! Come here and everyone keep yelling how hard it is, how its too much! And SE will come in, NERF it after the top tier Raid groups complete it, then every raid group will be able to do it! That is their MO isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Dererk

We need real raids that isn't just 1 path of trash then a boss fight and we need to have at lest 2 full party's in said raids.

But yes VargasVermillion I can get behind your suggestion only problem is that the people who would prefer doing the story one will whine till they got their way.

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Only ones I see whining are whining about normal in general.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Speak for yourself, 40 man raiding was glorious. So much more epic than the theme park fights we get now.

72 might be a little much though.

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You must not have been the raid leader.

Never again. Was worse than herding cats.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

If we must have a normal mode for people who think they can't raid then I'd prefer savage come out first, then the easier mode for catch up. Story isn't as big of an issue it's more the fact that half the fight is pretty much spoiled and you know which bosses are coming up, takes away from the excitement of progression. I think there's still a lot of room for improvement with the raids in general though but that's another thing altogether.

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Except you'd still be farming normal for the leg up the gear gives.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Not talking about ARR launch content. Still waiting.

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Your argument is "we have nothing to do". But your argument sucks as we have got way more different content to do with Heavensward, as we got at ARR release or any patch later. It is not possible to get infinite content within one patch. You have to life with that like everybody else before.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Eso is i200, with upgrade to i210 possible by getting items currently only found in Savage alexander. Both eso and savage is capped. Law tome and upgrades are uncapped. Alexander normal is capped.
It would make a huge difference if upgraded law tome gear was same ilevel as alex normal.

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Well we upgrade Law with hunts, have it drop at 180 then upgrade it to 190, it's still the same as Eso, you buy Eso with the intention of it being 210 before long. The gap between 180 and 190 gear out side of progression is redundant, everything can be nuked in 170 as it is. People complain about their not being enough horizontal progression as well, this doesn't necessarily fix it, but it contributes towards solving the problem.

I'm not really sure if you have the experience to talk about how upping law gear by 10 ilevels would affect the balance of the game, 190+ and you still haven't killed Ravana, we did that in Law gear, not even the upgraded Law at that...thats still the hardest non raid content in the game, so please tell me again how Law being i190 would unbalance the game.

Even then this has all been and gone now, Alexander Savage and Normal are out, we've already seen the bosses and the basic mechanics of the raid and you can't take it back. I just hope that for the next set of Alexander raids that clearing the previous Savage is the entry requirement, not clearing the normal mode; and that our 210 gear from clearing this Savage is the minimum gear requirement as opposed to the new normal giving 220.

Outside of this issue though, I have been really enjoying Savage I just feel it could have been handled better, and from the responses in this thread it seems quite a few people running it have somewhat similar opinions, even if they may differ slightly in places. I'm not crying about nerfing anything, I'm just saying I want my progression to surprise me tell me the story and to not have it watered down by content thats an absolute face roll.

What I still don't understand is why they release content "backwards".
Crystal Tower was supposed to be available at launch, but was delayed, so we got i90 from Coil and few months later, i80 from LotA.

Why didn't they release Void Ark BEFORE Alex Savage ? This way, people would have farmed Alex normal, then Void Ark, and then Alex Savage, which would have probably avoid this sense of doing only the same fights back to back.