Not a bad tank, just not an optimized tank. Probably not a progression player, but fine for df bs. Too many people see Xenos vidoe and walk away thinking str accs are all there is to tanking.
As long as you can get and maintain hate, you are fine for df. If dps checks arent being met, its mostly the fault of the dps.
Now a DRG with INT acc would be a bad DRG, but VIT is benefical to tanks, so you aren't bad, you're just not optomized.
I am a bad tank coz i use vit(tank) gear!
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07-20-2015, 05:09 AMWhiteroom
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07-20-2015, 07:11 AMJerichaiThe problem for me is that I want to learn how to play in a way that I agree is optimal. But equipping STR accessories is only one small part of that. I want to know more about the play style to that maximizes DPS. The problem for me is that I learn best by asking questions of those with experience first. I don't want to just go in blind and hope I'm developing the right habits and behaviors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrial
The problem with asking questions anymore seems to be that...especially with this STR vs. VIT debate...there's a very vocal portion of the population that will write you off as a horrible player. To some...it seems...something not being obvious to you is a black mark, and they'd rather label you as hopeless or useless. I'm not saying everyone is this way...but it's enough for someone like me to be hesitant to even try because they have enough negativity their life not to want to invite more into it. Which sucks because tanking seems like it could be fun... -
07-20-2015, 07:21 AMEye_GoreIt is alot of fun, nothing else I would rather do. If you want to do it, do it. Find your niche and stick to it. There is no right or wrong in this debate. Your one and only foremost issue is to maintain hate and keep it off your party members. DPSing is secondary. When you get better at and know your role, sure add some STR into the mix, I currently run 3 STR and 2 VIT acc. I have never been told that I don't DPS enough or that an instance failed because my DPS was too low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichai
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07-20-2015, 07:49 AMKryloGo vit until you feel comfortable maxing DPS and using your CDs and stuff with Vit, then swap stats, do a few more dungeons, if it still feels good trade a vit acc for a str one, etc. etc. When you hit a point that it feels weird/uncomfortable start focusing on improving yourself again, and repeat until you're full str if that's your goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichai
Your rotation, how you pull, and every other bit of how you play the class is going to be the same between the two. You just have less margin of error for popping CDs on hard hitting attacks, and do more damage in str. So learning to play in vit is probably best.
Also remember that on progression raiding full str probably won't be optimal (alex savage). It wasn't before, until you could get better gear than coil. You need enough HP to survive tank busters with enough of a buffer to not die to the next auto attack. -
07-20-2015, 09:32 AMEvaddaragonNow wait a minute... Do I read this correctly ? Going full STR instead of full VIT, with the same team, shaved off 8 seconds out of about 4 minutes ? And DPS went from 740 to 1000 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrial
It's a noticeable increase to a single party member's DPS, that I won't deny. But is shaving 8 seconds out of 4 minutes truly considered "optimizing" ? I expected at least a 10% decrease in time taken. That's not even close. :( -
07-20-2015, 09:40 AMTyrialThat was done on a training dummy outside my FC house. I attempted to keep the times similar so as to give an accurate comparison. The other thing to keep in mind as well is that STR influences your self heals (Equilibrium and Second Wind for WAR and Clemency for PLD).Quote:
Originally Posted by Evaddaragon
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07-20-2015, 09:44 AMEvaddaragonOh, it's dummy training ! Thank god.Quote:
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07-20-2015, 09:49 AMTyrialIn a short time span it won't be as noticeable, but the same tank running the same rotation against a mob with 1m HP. The attempt using STR gear will kill the mob in just under 17 minutes. A full VIT run would take almost 23 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evaddaragon
I'd also like to point out that the 1k DPS is also possible in a raid scenario. It's not uncommon to see myself sitting at 1000-ish in any turn of Alex save for Floor 4, Extreme dungeons or EX Primals. -
07-20-2015, 01:34 PMEvaddaragonThis, however, is presuming the entire raid has a 30% increase in DPS. 1/8th of a raid that has a 30% increase wouldn't translate into those numbers, and ultimately, that's what people want to know.Quote:
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Just how much shorter would the entire raid take if the tank uses full STR ? That is the question.
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07-20-2015, 02:17 PMTyrialit wasn't meant to, numbers were requested. I provided them. A single person in an 8-man raid pushing themselves to the limit isn't going to translate to much, but a whole group reaching their absolute max potential will be quite noticeable. Take the 2:30 Alex Floor 1 kill for example (Google it if you don't believe me). Solo tank, 5 DPS, 2 healers. The tank pulled almost 900, no DPS was lower than 1k and both healers broke 800. Compare that to your average Alex Floor 1 run and tell me that there's not a noticeable difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evaddaragon