We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

So many times thus far have I popped a Heavy Shot then proceeded to immediately fire another since nothing else was up, only to see Straighter Shot proc. Then of course going to pop the Straighter Shot to just see the buff note for another Straighter Shot proc, essentially a wasted proc just passing by, lol. You wouldn't think it'd happen so often, but it would just be my luck!

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Did you see BLMs crying about double Firestarter procs? Just use it 1 GCD later.

Oh relax and speak for yourself, not all BRD's hate WM because of the cast times. They hate it because the DPS sucks even though we're now semi-grounded.

Although a melee class with long wind-up cast times would be interesting to try out, lol. Maybe a class with a large 2H Weapon like DRK or WAR but obviously not them since theyre tanks which need aggro ASAP. Samurai on the other hand would fit great, so long as its DPS.

Just don't mash, you really do hav e plenty of time to react to it if you're not m,ashing the button.

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Originally Posted by Humorless

Did you see BLMs crying about double Firestarter procs? Just use it 1 GCD later.

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Doesn't work that way as Straighter Shot proc doesn't stack. Say that you get the Straighter Shot buff on the skill. Well if you use Heavy Shot while that buff is active, the game will still let you proc Straighter Shot, even while you have one ready. So that other proc you got while that buff was sitting there just disappears.

And as it goes under Minuet, if heavy Shot were to proc Straighter Shot, it wouldn't be until well after your GDC is done, which means unless you sit there and watch Straight Shot to see if it lights up, you could very well use Heavy Shot again only to then see Straighter Shot proc and of course, have the potential to proc another one which just dumps into the void.

And even better: If you were to cast Heavy Shot and then Straight Shot to refresh your buff, if you actually do happen to get a Straighter Shot proc it can show up mid cast of your Straight Shot and not apply, meaning you have to pop Straight Shot again to use the proc.

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Originally Posted by Odowla

Just don't mash, you really do hav e plenty of time to react to it if you're not m,ashing the button.

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I've watched it and it can proc well into half the cast of another ability. I dunno about you, but soon as GDC comes off I'm going to be using something, and if all my OGDCs and Empy Arrow is off I'm going to use our trademark shot. Sure, either I can just cancel the cast or just sit there for half a second, but should I really need to stop my shit just because they couldn't be bothered to adjust the proc timing?

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Originally Posted by Kayote

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It'd be more like giving cast times to monks (which doesn't get canceled while moving). Now the problem they run into is that it doesn't keep up with GL3 and their insanely short cooldown from it. Their cooldown finishes before they get the buff for their next form, so they can't even begin casting the next ability. And that's only half of the problem, the otehr half I can;t make a comparison because monk doesnt have a oGCD that can reset at any time (and you'd have to delay it because of cast times)

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Doesn't work that way as Straighter Shot proc doesn't stack. Say that you get the Straighter Shot buff on the skill. Well if you use Heavy Shot while that buff is active, the game will still let you proc Straighter Shot, even while you have one ready. So that other proc you got while that buff was sitting there just disappears.

And as it goes under Minuet, if heavy Shot were to proc Straighter Shot, it wouldn't be until well after your GDC is done, which means unless you sit there and watch Straight Shot to see if it lights up, you could very well use Heavy Shot again only to then see Straighter Shot proc and of course, have the potential to proc another one which just dumps into the void.

And even better: If you were to cast Heavy Shot and then Straight Shot to refresh your buff, if you actually do happen to get a Straighter Shot proc it can show up mid cast of your Straight Shot and not apply, meaning you have to pop Straight Shot again to use the proc.

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Firestarter doesn't stack either. They also have no reason to ever use fire III outside of fire starter anyway. Bards need to refresh straighter shots if it falls off. And if it happens to proc in the middle of your straight shot proc, then lol. Although BLMs also don't have an oGCD ability that has cooldown reset. There's a reason for that; cast times don't allow for proper oGCD use. Their only oGCDs are buffs , not attacks.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Doesn't work that way as Straighter Shot proc doesn't stack. Say that you get the Straighter Shot buff on the skill. Well if you use Heavy Shot while that buff is active, the game will still let you proc Straighter Shot, even while you have one ready. So that other proc you got while that buff was sitting there just disappears.

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So what you're telling me is... it works exactly the same as Firestarter procs.

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Originally Posted by Humorless

So what you're telling me is... it works exactly the same as Firestarter procs.

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Then why did you say:

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Originally Posted by Humorless

Just use it 1 GCD later.

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I can't use it later if it just falls off. That's the issue, if another procs while I just casted another Heavy Shot, then it feels like a wasted proc.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Firestarter doesn't stack either. They also have no reason to ever use fire III outside of fire starter anyway. Bards need to refresh straighter shots if it falls off. And if it happens to proc in the middle of your straight shot proc, then lol. Although BLMs also don't have an oGCD ability that has cooldown reset. There's a reason for that; cast times don't allow for proper oGCD use. Their only oGCDs are buffs , not attacks.

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Should a flawed design really just be accepted just because? I'd be just as irritated with fire starter as well.

And this does goes to show how crudely implemented Minuet was implemented considering a sizable part of a Bard's kit was OGDCs.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

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Should a flawed design really just be accepted just because? I'd be just as irritated with fire starter as well.

And this does goes to show how crudely implemented Minuet was implemented considering a sizable part of a Bard's kit was OGDCs.

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IT really doesn't. I'm amazed that it didn't get addressed at all since the proc detection could be done at finishing the cast bar rather than the attack. I don't accept what WM does for bards either...which is why I'm not a bard anymore.

Jesus, does the OP ever stop complaining?

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Jesus, does the OP ever stop complaining?

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Lancer Lv 60

Not. A. Bard.

Bard has been suffocated by casting times and needs help, it doesn't even play close to how it did before.