How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

As a DRG main, I'm definitely annoyed when a slow tank makes Blood of the Dragon fall off. That said, learning when you can pop cooldowns without being screwed for boss fights is what dungeon mastery is all about for me these days. On an average run I know that I can pop some stuff during each boss fight and again on the first trash pull after, and it'll come off cooldown just in time for the next boss - it just takes practice and planning ahead.

On the topic? I don't know, maybe talk to them like adults and if they're not interested in speedrunning the dungeon then accept that i'm going to take maybe 10-20 minutes more? I don't know, just seems like "This player isn't playing how I want them to? BOOT THEM" seems like a really, really warped viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by UncleCarmine

On the topic? I don't know, maybe talk to them like adults and if they're not interested in speedrunning the dungeon then accept that i'm going to take maybe 10-20 minutes more? I don't know, just seems like "This player isn't playing how I want them to? BOOT THEM" seems like a really, really warped viewpoint.

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Yeah, I don't see how people can go into a Duty Finder group and expect some kind of speedrun every time.

Not to mention that half the crap people do to try to "speed up the run" ends up actually costing more time in the end, but they can't get past the idea of "big pull = fast".

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Originally Posted by Bovinity

Yeah, I don't see how people can go into a Duty Finder group and expect some kind of speedrun every time.

Not to mention that half the crap people do to try to "speed up the run" ends up actually costing more time in the end, but they can't get past the idea of "big pull = fast".

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Those big pulls with an AST as your healer and a NIN and a MNK as your DPSes, "but I'm making things faster!" Kappa

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Originally Posted by spelley

Those big pulls with an AST as your healer and a NIN and a MNK as your DPSes, "but I'm making things faster!" Kappa

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It still makes it faster even with NIN as your dps, MNK aoe dps is decent now also. As long as you aren't wiping the group it is faster.

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Originally Posted by seekified

I'm pretty sure a lot of people genuinely enjoy speedrunning more when you've already done a dungeon a few dozen times.

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I totally see that. And when I'm with my FC in a terrible place like WP Hard Mode, we absolutely do that! But that's a closed group. These people using the DF and then troll-pulling to force speedruns are seriously doing nothing except exacerbating the tank shortage.

People here keep assuming the tank always has a reason. If they have a reason like waiting for TP or healer MP and such then that is perfectly fine.

But there are also plenty of tanks that just stand there for seemingly no reason. Those are the ones that upset me

Also: (sorry on mobile so cant edit my previous post for some reason)

I dont think when people say "slow tanks" they necessarily mean ones that are not speedrunning. I could care less if a tank is speedrunning or not as long as they arent spending a full minute between trash pulls for no reason

Never had a problem on resources(tp,mp, ect) as a tank. Healer does sometime, when they get down to about 3k. I normally stop and make sure they've got some means to recover it. But most of the time their helping DPS. ;x

I think speed running is strawmanning here. The OP isn't talking about speed running, just constant pulling. I don't like speed running myself but I also don't like sitting around for 45 seconds between each pull staring at the skybox. When one pack of mobs dies the tank should be running to the next unless there's some reason not to. Same for a boss, when everyone is at the line pull it.