Serious Concern, Need Help; MCH not welcome to Alexander

I wish the mch will stop doing that knockback skill. They do it on mobs that are with 85% HP. Why do u want your tank to break its rotation and follow that one monster. I usually don't and cuz I don't follow they change aggro cuz mch will just attack that single one monster. I am sorry but I don't feel bad if they die cuz of that. I would understand if the monster is close to die, but when is still in 3/4 HP it is just annoying. You are pushing the mob away from the tank and the other DPs that is close ranged melee ._.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

No decent NIN will do that to something that legitimately needs to be stunned (or they'll switch to silence on Jug instead). And in any event, a stun/silence is not a knockback. Jugulate doesn't launch my target to the stupid moon in the middle of my combo.

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No doubt just like any good machinist won't use the knockback in stupid situations lol

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Originally Posted by nekuxdesu

that wasnt the biggest issue, it was just that it made drg completely useless as it provided the entire raid with bonus damage, had vastly superior damage to mnk and drg, and was arguably the easiest to maximize (outside of ping) because of a lack of positionals
and no it wasnt 1% lol

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Can't find the old posts on the forums but pre echo it was a 1% dps loss with the echo it ended up being a 3% loss(that's if you could use Raiton without gcd clipping.) with echo go ask the ninja superthread if you want all the math
secondly with or without ninja the stupid drg problems would of been there and it would of always been double monk being the standard.(Had alot more in the post but lost it in an edit and just don't care to have a long winded post when people are ignorant about math)

Things will get fixed people need to be patient and stop making hundreds of these stupid threads BRD and MCH will still be wanted for savage Alexander

let me tell you something though I'm sure BRD/MCH would feel worse to be OP and then nerfed down. Just like BRD were nerfed soon after release and there was an uproar there.

I'm a bard, I feel for these guys haha. Not as bad but still

They need to see how it plays in the raid. 2 endgame fights Bismark Ex and Ravana Ex is not going to give a good sense on overall how the job preforms. Which is probably why they waiting till its out before making adjustments.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I just got my MCH to level 59 today and my longest runs have been with another machinist hands down.
I do everything I can and have 5 HUGE macros in my kit to make it more consistent/easier to pump out damage confidently... and even then I am outdamaged by a bloody dragoon using a level 110 spear spamming his first rotation without doing anything else. OH AND I KNOW THAT ROTIATION CAUSE I LEVELED DRAGOON TO 34 JUST FOR BLOOD FOR BLOOD! I KNOW WHAT I SAW! He did MORE damage than me.




This is how it is. I've been seeing this for over a week solid of EXCLUSIVE party finder group DPS excluding BRD/MCH.

I am so glad you got this screenie, I should take one next time I log on... it is real and it is RAMPANT.

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macroing your rotation is a straight DPS loss.

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Originally Posted by Higashikata

macroing your rotation is a straight DPS loss.

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Rotation in it's entirety? Yes, whichis what I am not doing.
Rotation in some split divisions no.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

Rotation in it's entirety? Yes, whichis what I am not doing.
Rotation in some split divisions no.

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Macroing weaponskills, even in small chunks, loses you the DPS that you would have otherwise gained through skill queueing.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I'm not welcoming them anywhere if they don't stop using that knock back ability.

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You'd welcome me then? I never use the knockbacks, mostly because it's annoying, but the other reason is that you need to be at point blank range. I'm shooting mobs, not hitting them with the barrel, so why would I want to be infront of the boss?

*deep breath* Find a static. It's that simple.

Is MCH 'under performing', somewhat yes. Is it a hindrance in the hands of a skill player? Not even slightly. No, it doesn't do the same damage as Melee or Casters, but that's how it's always been for BRD as well.

I've cleared Rav Ex with 2 MCH and a BRD in the group and encountered zero issues. People did the mechanics, saved their burst for "Attack Configuration" and he went down easily.

Unless things change DRASTICALLY for Alexander, and by that I mean severely tightening the dps checks then there is literally zero reason to not bring a MCH.