Thoughts on level 60 scholar ability?

Misses rarely happen on alex NM, but they do happen in Ravana EX.

@Miyu20,

I'm a WHM main, I do play Scholar, but not to the extent of getting myself Accuracy melded Accessories :).

But when I do play Scholar, the reason I use ED is not to recover MP, it is because my Aetherflow CD is almost ready, and I still have leftover stacks, so I'll just ED everything away and Aetherflow :D.

You'll probably get a better answer from more experienced Scholars tho.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

actually if it works like most other mp Regen skills (siphon blade, riot blade, assize, and aetherflow) it Regens based on a percentage of your max MP but either way it doesn't increase in cleric stance. (unless you count the self heal as an increase)

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Either way it certainly doesn't scale with damage or repetitive use...


Edit: nevermind I was right the first time It's by level.

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Originally Posted by Miyu20

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Your opinion would have a lot more merit if it had any factual credit to it.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

actually if it works like most other mp Regen skills (siphon blade, riot blade, assize, and aetherflow) it Regens based on a percentage of your max MP but either way it doesn't increase in cleric stance. (unless you count the self heal as an increase)

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No, this is wrong, ED doesn't return MP based on your total MP, it just returns a MP fixed value which is attached to your level. If it returned MP based on your total MP, piety would increase the amount given by ED, and it doesn't. It was 266 MP return at level 50 (regardless you had 4k mana or 6k mana) and 900 something (don't remember the exact number) at level 60.

Yes! This is the key to being a good Scholar with Aetherflow Management! ^_^

When you are focusing on Pure healing as a Scholar which makes duties in Duty Finder much easier, sometimes standing around to recover your mana from mana ticks is necessary and good healers as you know look over at their secondary healers MP pool and adjust their healing accordingly.

If you have three Stacks though and you are over 80% MP, I hope you don't use your Energy Drains as in my opinion keeping those stacks would be safer than using them for the sake of 100% mana. I'm sure you don't though.

Anyways, back to the topic of Dissipation...
I've found before Deployment Tactics, as you all know, it increases your shield almost 2x or more and this alone makes Dissipation worth it when there is a huge Super attack incoming that you cannot virus. (Thinking Bex's Ultimate Attack)

@ckc22 I might just be excited at seeing my MP bar go up as I'm in a panic from having almost no MP and can't use Succor for example so that when I energy drain spam, it seems like it goes up more everytime when in actuality, it doesn't.

I have to log in now and recheck how much MP energy drain regains on the dummy and get back to you as this argument is going on for way too long.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

Because it's bad for reasons that have been gone over again and again in this thread.
You get a stack of aether ever 60s. Most of the time I'm burning my last charge on a ED to get it back on CD.
If you need extra aetherstacks you should get better at managing them, not use an ability that gimps you for 30s-1min.
Other corrections: 30s is about 10 embraces, and the aether stacks from dissipate do not grant mp.

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Pretty obvious using dissipate doesnt give you mp, I'm talking about Energy drain and the fact that you can use your stack over your mp to heal... And by no means am I having trouble managing my stacks, like I said I use Dissipation regularly. I guess it depends on your playstyle. Overall I would choose to use this regularly rather than save it cos like what many of the people here are saying, it's not necessarily an oh-shit skill. As for me, its more of a dps and a healing thing. The increased healing is good with Emergency Tactics and Deployment Tactics among others. It really depends on how you look at it and right now I'm not convinced 10-some fairy heals is an sch gimp specially when you can use this skill when something stupid long is casting (e.g. bloody fuller) and resummon your fairy shortly after. The only 'downside' for me with this skill would prolly be using swiftcast to cast my fairy back rather than keep it or use it on shadowflare, but even this is optional.. i could simply recast my fairy on some downtime.

I really would advice against using Dissipation > Adlo > Deployment tactics, unless you're up against some ridiculously strong AoE while you're undergeared (Bahamut's Teraflare without LB3 as random example).

I mean, sure it looks cool when a primal's ultimate does 0 damage to your party, but you're wasting CDs that may end up being useful in the next few minutes, a WHM can easily patch up the entire team with just a single Medica II/Cure III :).

MP-recovery skills described above (Syphon Strike, Riot Blade, Energy Drain) are indeed level-tied rather than gear-tied. You would have variance in the returns between people of different races etc. (as they have different stats) - never the mind gearing differences - if the values were %-based (and thus gear/stat-based).

As I said before, Energy Drain at 60 is 884 MP. So is Syphon Strike. I didn't check Riot Blade with a level 60 PLD but I am assuming it to be 884 as well (as it used to be 266 at level 50, same as ED). Aetherflow and Assize are %-based and in a different category all together.

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Originally Posted by Miyu20

Anyways, back to the topic of Dissipation...
I've found before Deployment Tactics, as you all know, it increases your shield almost 2x or more and this alone makes Dissipation worth it when there is a huge Super attack incoming that you cannot virus. (Thinking Bex's Ultimate Attack)

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Sorry, but no. Bis Ex's big attack can be dealt with easily with a pre-succor, Sacred Soil and an Indom/Succor/Cure 3 from WHM. There is absolutely no need to murder your faerie and lose the free healing and buffs for 30 secs.

Dissipation in its current form is never worth using. It needs a big change.