Can we please rename Bismark EX to DPScheck EX?

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Originally Posted by Intaki

If people want to use parsers as a tool of self-improvement more power to them. But don't get upset when it's pointed out that if you choose to use that tool to harass other players it will end badly for you.

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This thread aint even worth it anymore though, people will just fight with you of why they should be able to no matter what is said back then someone else will either agree or disagree with them then so on, so forth.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

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Look at you all ready to jump out and spread those claws on someone's face, busy lowering yourself down to the level of a 'rude person' and going out your way to call their reply stupid then call them rude and childish? Classy and mature all the way, just stay classy and make sure you show the same great sides to those you're willing to help.

do you think people are willing to admit they are bad dps without actual numbers in front of them? if they could then they would be better dps already, wouldn't they?

I could be a bad dps, I have no way of really knowing!

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Look at you all ready to jump out and spread those claws on someone's face, busy lowering yourself down to the level of a 'rude person' and going out your way to call their reply stupid then call them rude and childish? Classy and mature all the way, just stay classy and make sure you show the same great sides to those you're willing to help.

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My claws ? No claws out sorry. Calling someone "elitist" is childish. I can do something childish, does not mean I am childish. His or her reply was stupid indeed. I'm sorry but when you "insult" someone for no reason about something this someone did not do... it's a stupid insult, and in this case a stupid reply. And yeah, insulting is being rude. So yeah, he or she was rude. Nothing immature about stating the truth.

Also, I did not call him or her childish, I called the people who get all mad when you tell them one little critic (constructive one) childish.

Edit : I repeat : i only kick/votekick people that clearly fail all the mechanics after several tries even though I do my best at helping them (even writing during the fight so they know what to do). When there is a dps issue, I just look at what people are doing and spot the issues (like DRG not using their crit buff, Ninja not using the vulnerability debuff, etc). I don't use a parser when I play with randoms. I killed Bismarck Ex with randoms after a LOT of wipes and explaining I did to the failers and I wrote mid combat what they needed to do during the weathers. So yeah, if helping people and taking time to explain them things make me an elitist, then I'm proud of it.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

My claws ? No claws out sorry. Calling someone "elitist" is childish. I can do something childish, does not mean I am childish. His or her reply was stupid indeed. I'm sorry but when you "insult" someone for no reason about something this someone did not do... it's a stupid insult, and in this case a stupid reply. And yeah, insulting is being rude. So yeah, he or she was rude. Nothing immature about stating the truth.

Also, I did not call him or her childish, I called the people who get all mad when you tell them one little critic (constructive one) childish.

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Andddd being mature would just be shrugging it off like an adult, letting it go. if they are so rude then are they really worth your time? I think not, all you're promoting is another rude reply that isn't going to be liked by you anyways.

If they wanted then they could easily turn your comment to them into a fight, anyways my bf is tugging me off for the same reason so do what you like, gn and have fun with your converse. >_>;

I don't think that it is necessarily elitist, but it does depend on how you tell the person that their DPS is on the low side.

I am a new player and I did rush a little to 50 to get access to Heavensward as soon as possible. I soaked in the storyline but beyond that there ara a lot of side quests undone at present.

I know that my DPS needs to be improved and have recently started reading up on best rotations etc, luckily my basic rotation was fine but I now know I need to weave an extra skills here and there to improve my DPS.

I, like many of you probably, have dipped my toes into WoW, mainly as a healer, and found LFG toxic, especially with people spamming recount to name and shame people for not doing the DPS they thought they should be doing, not taking into account gear, experience etc.

However, the toxicity I witnessed in WoW put me off PUGS, until starting to play FF14 and I realised I had to. It was with a heavy heart that I queued for my first dungeon, I can tell you, but to my surprise the community here is largely accepting and patient, and I have not had any bad experiences yet going through the dungeons here.

I agree that everyone needs to learn their job to the best they can, and if only parsers brought about positive constructive criticism they would be an awesome tool, but unfortunately they don't and I would hate to see this wonderful community have the WoW toxicity brought to it.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Andddd being mature would just be shrugging it off like an adult, letting it go. if they are so rude then are they really worth your time? I think not, all you're promoting is another rude reply that isn't going to be liked by you anyways.

If they wanted then they could easily turn your comment to them into a fight, anyways my bf is tugging me off for the same reason so do what you like, gn and have fun with your converse. >_>;

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Well, you are right in that case. I admit that. It's just me being sanguine.

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Originally Posted by Alunari

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Obviously i'm not telling them "omg you suck, your dps is so bad" that would be dumb, plus I don't use a parser in pugs like I said.
What I do is watch them play and see what they're doing. If I see some weird stuff going on like SMN letting garuda on sic instead of Obey or one SMN that was instantly cancelling his Bahamut Trance (lvl 58 skill) by using Deathflare... i tell them this way "Hey XXX, you should put Garuda on obey, this way you can use her contagion to extend ALL of your dots, especially when you've empowered them with Bahamut Trance or Raging Strikes (both of those spells increase damage)" and "Hey you should not use Deathflare instantly when you enter Bahamut Trance, you should wait until the last second of Bahamut Trance before using Deathflare so that you can get the most benefit off of it"

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Originally Posted by jars

do you think people are willing to admit they are bad dps without actual numbers in front of them? if they could then they would be better dps already, wouldn't they?

I could be a bad dps, I have no way of really knowing!

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I think you can feel that you are not performing the best your job can do. I did feel that I needed to improve so started to read up on different rotation advice, but in all honesty I think you will always get that person who doesn't care and doesn't want to improve, they are quite happy to be carried, and I guess this is where the main problems lie.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

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I would have no problems with someone advising me in this way, it can only improve my game play in the long run. It is the people who would abuse other players, and abuse the knowledge that goes with a parser, especially in DF, when you have quite a few new/levelling players going through and learning whichever job they're on.

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Originally Posted by Alunari

I think you can feel that you are not performing the best your job can do. I did feel that I needed to improve so started to read up on different rotation advice, but in all honesty I think you will always get that person who doesn't care and doesn't want to improve, they are quite happy to be carried, and I guess this is where the main problems lie.

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There is a certain amount you can feel....but there are many things that can go beyond your notice.Myself for example....I tend to move out/do mechanics as soon as possible. However, if I was to move at the last possible second and the like, I could do much higher DPS. This itself was told to me by a friend of mine, who does run the numbers. Its something I'll have to train on...but honestly was something I never actually thought of till he said it.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Oh I cant wait to try this fight and start getting frustrated due to bad dps.

Even my first bismarck HM had a couple of wipes.

What ilvl is the fight for? Im ilvl 168 and I dont do hunts so I cant really reach ilvl 170 which seem to be the number most PF groups wants

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There is no ilvl for the fight, though atleast 160 is probably recommended. It has been beaten by people all in the 150 range though. As well I've run into about as many groups with tanks who can't do the tank swap right, or healers/ranged (if they do it that way) who aren't hitting the DKs then bad dps.

My first clear also went a bit against the videos: Rather then focus the small add first, we took down the big add. Not sure if it was just good for that group or what, but it worked.

Oh I cant wait to try this fight and start getting frustrated due to bad dps.

Even my first bismarck HM had a couple of wipes.

What ilvl is the fight for? Im ilvl 168 and I dont do hunts so I cant really reach ilvl 170 which seem to be the number most PF groups wants