My thoughts on machinist (Up to level 42)

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Originally Posted by Croisciento

Something that people do not really understand is that it's hard to put a higher potency on slug shot and clean shot, because it would mean that if you dont have any luck your DPS would be way lower than if you had some. Some may also forgot we have a turret and we still don't know (really) what's their DPS on a extended period of time.

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I dunno. It seems to me they should have a higher potency exactly because they don't proc often. To make up for all the times you have bad luck.

And Heartbreak needs to have its cooldown halved. On bard I can use Misery's End on almost every mob in a trash pack, Heartbreak I can only use on the first because it's not even close to being up yet by the time it becomes usable on the rest.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

And Heartbreak needs to have its cooldown halved. On bard I can use Misery's End on almost every mob in a trash pack, Heartbreak I can only use on the first because it's not even close to being up yet by the time it becomes usable on the rest.

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Buffs may be in order, but I'd leave heartbreak. At least the way it is it's not a TOTAL copy/paste.

Actually what *I'd* do is remove it entirely, because mch shouldn't be taking brd moves that aren't essential to fill it's spot in a raid. That's unlikely to happen though.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

Buffs may be in order, but I'd leave heartbreak. At least the way it is it's not a TOTAL copy/paste.

Actually what *I'd* do is remove it entirely, because mch shouldn't be taking brd moves that aren't essential to fill it's spot in a raid. That's unlikely to happen though.

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Considering Ninjas have Assassinate, which is a similar mechanic (just slightly higher potency on four times the cooldown), I agree. That makes three classes with 20% or less finishers moves and no consistency between them.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Considering Ninjas have Assassinate, which is a similar mechanic (just slightly higher potency on four times the cooldown), I agree. That makes three classes with 20% or less finishers moves and no consistency between them.

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It's a physical class type of thing. Dragoon, Monk, Warrior and Paladin have one too. The only classes that don't have a 20% finisher are the casters.

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Originally Posted by SasakiNori

It's a physical class type of thing. Dragoon, Monk, Warrior and Paladin have one too. The only classes that don't have a 20% finisher are the casters.

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MNK doesn't have one unless you crossclass warriors execute

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Originally Posted by Slirith

MNK doesn't have one unless you crossclass warriors execute

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They don't have one because they can crossclass one yes. and there's no reason to not crossclass free extra damage.

I think all the execute skills should have some sort of secondary effect like Mercy Stroke. Something like;

* Assassinate: If enemy dies within 3 seconds of use, cooldown is refreshed.
* Misery's End: If windbite/venom active on enemy and they are below 10% HP, they instantly trigger for an additional 50 potency each.
* Heartbreak: If enemy dies within 3 seconds of use, Quick Reload cooldown is refreshed.
* Mercy Stroke: same thing, but changed to proc within 3 seconds of death instead of having to be *THE* killing blow.

That's just me though. I don't like when all skills are the same.

It would seem that this thought and concern is voiced elsewhere!

The word has gotten out, let us all hope that the developers help us!

I want to love this class, and I love so much about it but it needs help!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ious-attention

I completely agree that this class needs serious attention. There are so many issues atm that are holding this job back that I feel were put in place when this job was tested with a machine playing it in a vacuum with optimal testing capabilities (like attacking a dummy).

The job feels very unfinished and in serious need of editing. There are way too many useless skills that's convoluting this class. SE, please look at MCH before Alexander and give it a buff so we can raid with this job until you get more of a chance to fix it properly.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

I completely agree that this class needs serious attention. There are so many issues atm that are holding this job back that I feel were put in place when this job was tested with a machine playing it in a vacuum with optimal testing capabilities (like attacking a dummy).

The job feels very unfinished and in serious need of editing. There are way too many useless skills that's convoluting this class. SE, please look at MCH before Alexander and give it a buff so we can raid with this job until you get more of a chance to fix it properly.

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I agree fully, I am glad Alex is release later because at present Machinist will NEVER be taken to it in any organized group play.

In terms of useless skills? Man oh man we have a lot, and they take up premium skill slots that other classes get godlike skills in.
Eg: That 25% "damage accumulated timebomb" does nothing. And it wastes a skill AND A TRAIT.

Eg: Mindbreak/Dismantle
Eg: Hotshot with 5%... 5%... is a joke.

And a few others come to mind but these are the paramount glaring examples