Pay for your inventory.

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Originally Posted by VoltaAsura

What is next?

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I really don't think it's P2W. You don't get any kind of stat boosts besides more space to dump junk you should probably be Converting or Desynthing anyway. It's significantly easier to get tome gear than build up the insane amounts of gil required to buy crafted gear. It's a great tool for crafters and gatherers who want to Sell More Things.

Just give us the ability to mail items to our alternate characters. You charge us extra for allowing us to have more than one character on a server, but you don't let us exchange mail between them. That's not cool, less so when it starts to look like you don't want to reduce our reliance on retainer storage.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

They should add one free retainer with the expansion. That way, if you have two, you gain an extra one (free) and the ones that already pay for two retainers (totalizing 5 retainers) would be able to subscribe for 3 extra ones. I think this would solve things a little since I see no reason for you to have more than 5 retainers unless you're an omnicrafter or a collector.

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This so much. Every expansion should offer free alternatives to increasing your inventory in some manner. (Gobby Bag Quests in FFXI anyone?)
This is a huge cash grab and is almost as shameful as the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Just give us the ability to mail items to our alternate characters. You charge us extra for allowing us to have more than one character on a server, but you don't let us exchange mail between them. That's not cool, less so when it starts to look like you don't want to reduce our reliance on retainer storage.

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Now this I totally agree with. Mailing between alts should be a simple thing. Even better, you should be able to even have a common vault that you can use to transfer items between characters easily. THAT would be super-useful.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Simple as it is.

This game has a serious item managment issue, and they, instead of fixing it properly, are trying to get money out of it. This one of the F2P market stuff im paying a sub for to evade.

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^ To sum it up.

Why don't SE make the extra Retainer hiring using ingame Gil?
More realistic...

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Originally Posted by EinherjarLucian

Now this I totally agree with. Mailing between alts should be a simple thing. Even better, you should be able to even have a common vault that you can use to transfer items between characters easily. THAT would be super-useful.

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It's a good idea in retrospect but it could probably be easily abused by RMTs prompting them to just make alts and transfer gil around...

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

This is near P2W as they CAN get.
Because people can make more and have more than the other person because they can gain more retainers.
It's unfair that we have so little space and we've been hootin' about it for so long so their first thoughts are
"Hey, let's add 3 more into friggin Mog Station." You get tired of them puttin' shxt into that store.
F2P games add inventory banks all the time in CS. They shouldn't be doin' it here. Now I was fine when they originally added them there because I didn't have much back then

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Except having that much space doesn't give you any advantage over anyone else, unless you're a pack rat.

If you're a serious crafter/trader and NOT a pack rat, then 2 retainers is plenty to be just as competitive as someone with 8 retainers. The only benefit to 8 retainers (or more than 2) is for collectors who don't like to throw things away.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

[*]One retainer has an inventory size of 175 - with the two we can have for free, we have an additional 350 slots. Pay for 6 more and you'll have a total of 1400 inventory slots. With the amount of items already in game, with the glamour system we have, with the crafting/gathering system we have, with the number of upcoming gear being so high the patch notes won't even list it... This could as well go straight in the definition of unfair.

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In no way, shape, or form does any sane person need 1400 inventory slots of bank space. Having one extra glamour set for EVERY class (Weapon, Head, Chest, Legs, Feet, and Off-hand) results in the use of 147 inventory slots. Unless you enjoy keeping multiple dye versions of the exact same piece of gear, there is absolutely no way that you would ever need that much space, and neither does it give you any advantage over another player just because you happen to have every boot model in the game for your White Mage on hand at any time.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

[*]One retainer can have 20 items up for sale - 40 for the two we can have for free. Pay for 6 more and you can have a total of 160 items up for sale at once. That's literally paying to win, considering how some people can already play the market - now they'll be able to single-handedly destroy economies (or parts of it at the very least), just because they shell out more bucks than some others. Is that a fair advantage they should have??

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The problem with this logic is that anyone can make 9 character alts in their own little free company and get 18 more retainers, totaling up to 360 more items for sale at once without paying a single dime. If it hasn't already broken the market board then it won't when people can do it on a single character. If anything, you're paying for the "convenience" of not having to log in & out to check your stalls.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

[*]Retainer ventures. An additional six times the chance of obtaining rare (many otherwise unobtainable!) items, again, just because some decide to pay more money than others. In a game that's already subscription based, how on earth is that alright??

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You do realize you have to gear, level, and manage all of those retainers, right? Not only is this a massive undertaking in it's own right, but retainers NEVER return with relevant gear or items, and once again only benefits players who are trying desperately to get rare glamour gear like the unobtainables you mentioned. Considering that you're still severely limited by your Venture income, this doesn't make it pay to win in the slightest. Just because you "play different" doesn't mean you can go crying out on the forums and accuse a perfectly fine cash shop model of being pay to win. If you want a good example of "pay to win" look at Air Mech Arena on the PS4 where it's a competitive game that has it's best items behind a pay wall.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

And still they don't even seem to consider a glamour log. And still they're bullshitting us (sorry not sorry, but after this it's clearer than daylight to see) about how difficult it is to increase our inventory because of its size and the stress it puts on the servers.

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You do realize that in order to implement such a system that they'd have to completely reprogram the way that the game works, right? Not to mention the dire effects it could have on the economy since they haven't been keeping track of the gear you're putting on up until now, so you'd see a spike in old content items that have no business being so pricey.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Except having that much space doesn't give you any advantage over anyone else, unless you're a pack rat.

If you're a serious crafter/trader and NOT a pack rat, then 2 retainers is plenty to be just as competitive as someone with 8 retainers. The only benefit to 8 retainers (or more than 2) is for collectors who don't like to throw things away.

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The main issues are more the fact you can send them out on ventures, and the fact they can each sell things.

I do think these concerns have merit... but (as the post above alludes to), people who were really intent on doing this already could by having two service accounts, and/or by creating an FC for them and their alts. It's just less convenient since you have to move things around, and you have to level your alts to the early-20s to unlock retainers. So it's probably the case that the things people are worried about were already happening, and this change just made it a bit easier for "the average person".

I do think there need to be better systems put in place to address inventory, particularly as this patch introduces a whole ton of new items.