Equilibrium must needs be restored [heavy sppoiler]

I'm going to propose a theory.

One plot point, "The Rejoining," and the name Krile implies something to me: Sometime in the past the world was divided into two parts, a la FFV, in order to seal something dangerous away (Chaos maybe?).

This likely ties into the "True Power" of the Echo demonstrated with Ascian Prime.

The world is split, the Ascians seek to restore the split world, and the Elder Primals/Eikons are from before the world was split.

I posted theory to that effect a little before Heavensward, and nothing so far seems to contradict the idea. In FF5, it was the Void sealed between worlds, but FF14's Void seems to be of the FF3 variety. It could be Zodiark, if Zod's a being and not a giant crystal, but if it's not...

At the very least, I suspect Krile (and maybe even Galuf) will show up in the current patch cycle, and give us some solid answers on what's up with the Students of Baldesion. My guess will be that it happens in the same patch we finally track down Minfilia.

(Responding to way back with the initial question) This theory may have been posited before but...what if the warrior of darkness is a primal?

I mean, an important distinction in Heavensward is that the primal does not need to be related to their base concept. (The Vanu Vanu Bismark not matching the scriptures, Shiva being based on Ysayle's ideal of Shiva instead of the person) All it takes is faith, aether, and an image of a being to create a primal.

Now, to the citizens of the city states, we're heroes, living legends, "The beacon of hope", etc.

But what are we to, say, the beast tribes? We, who aided their heretics, who slaughtered their people, and murdered their god, often in front of them. However justified we were, to them, aren't we destroyers, monsters? What if the warrior of darkness is a primal based on the image our enemies have of us?

I am curious as to why Ascien Summoning method is so bad.

We've seen it's technically possible to bring back the dead (or disintegrated) from the lifestream

A Towa Cant, ALC quest line and to a lesser extent Y'shtola

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Originally Posted by myahele

I am curious as to why Ascien Summoning method is so bad.

We've seen it's technically possible to bring back the dead (or disintegrated) from the lifestream

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It doesn't though. It creates a "shade" of that being, a memory or idea made manifest, that hungers for whatever it was summoned for. Bahamut, for example, was but a twisted memory that thirsted for vengeance for his brood, and seethed with rage after being bound inside Dalamud. Shiva was but Iceheart's idea of who the Saint was, not Shiva herself.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I am curious as to why Ascien Summoning method is so bad.

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It's bad because summoning, not just the Ascian method but all methods save those of a Summoner, drain the world of its aether. Ifrit consumes the Fire aether and the other main five their specified element's aether. Any one of them can throw the natural order of the world out of balance, and that's what makes summoning so bad.

Summoners aren't guilty of this because they manifest part of their own soul in the image of one of the primals they have defeated, so they don't drain the aether of the environment.

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Originally Posted by Advon

(Responding to way back with the initial question) This theory may have been posited before but...what if the warrior of darkness is a primal?


Now, to the citizens of the city states, we're heroes, living legends, "The beacon of hope", etc.

But what are we to, say, the beast tribes? We, who aided their heretics, who slaughtered their people, and murdered their god, often in front of them. However justified we were, to them, aren't we destroyers, monsters? What if the warrior of darkness is a primal based on the image our enemies have of us?

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An intriguing concept. Just one question: Why would the best tribes summon us if we are so bad. Or do they pray that we would show up so they could kill us personally? If so, how much crystals do they use?

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Originally Posted by Balipu

An intriguing concept. Just one question: Why would the best tribes summon us if we are so bad. Or do they pray that we would show up so they could kill us personally? If so, how much crystals do they use?

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Well why do the Amal'jaa summon Ifrit, their spirit of fiery death? Why do the Vanu Vanu summon Bismarck, the spirit of sky islands sinking into the sea of clouds and being eradicated? The beast tribes summon spirits of their own doom all the time, I don't see how the Warrior of Darkness would be any different, if it was a primal.

I dont think the warrior of light is like destroying the balance. Edibudus just said that the WoL is geeting so strong that he is aproaching the power of the gods, that the lines of dark and light will become bigger and that will be a disaster to "THEIR PLANS", their not that we are destroying an important balance or something. We are just geeting too strong that we have become a real danger to ascians plans.

What if, the light destroyed the balance and you without knowing are keeping the unbalance, and eldibus is just trying to restore it like he once said "if you knew the truth you would help us" not saying all ascians want balance i mean lahabrea was all butthurt with you and nabriales was insane as for the chick which i forgot her name i think she just loves chaos.