Peaple keep ignoring the message "one or more players new to duty" aperently

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Originally Posted by Sicno

The same goes the other way around. The fact that some people makes alts doesn't mean everybody new to a duty is an alt. Some will be actually new, some will be alts. Assuming EVERYBODY is either one is just stupid. And yes, new people should say so, but with the game announcing "one or more players are new to this duty" they may think that's enough. Because seriously, tell me how thinking this way makes sense:

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Way to totally miss the point there.

Just because it says "new person" does not always mean the person is new, as could easily be an alt. Thus it is on the side of either the new person to inform everyone they are new, or the alt player (as I do) that they are an alt and no explanations for mechanics are needed.

One person should not have to badger the rest of the party to inform them who is new or not. It is the responsibility of the one who is to inform the party on their own initiative.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Macros are the last thing I would expect console players to do by default, especially if they're new. For starters the game itself doesn't explain how they work and some googling is required. Hardly friendly for a console environment.

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Yeah, the game totally doesn't explain how it works. /s
Everything is listed under text commands in the macro window; and they even describe to you how each one works and also how to type it out! Furthermore, there are preset macros available when you start the game that anyone can use without needing to learn how to make macros.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Macros are the last thing I would expect console players to do by default, especially if they're new. For starters the game itself doesn't explain how they work and some googling is required. Hardly friendly for a console environment.

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Then they should get a cheap USB keyboard, which is obvious if playing a multiplayer game where you WILL need to communicate.

Your strawman arguments are starting to fall apart.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Then they should get a cheap USB keyboard, which is obvious if playing a multiplayer game where you WILL need to communicate.

Your strawman arguments are starting to fall apart.

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meh she makes valid points.. I wouldn't expect console players to know how to make macros or to necessarily have a keyboard at the ready, the voicechat is quite good at getting things done from what I hear..

But at the end of the day, if you're not willing to ask for a special treatment, you're not getting one. Whether you have a convenient means to convey the message or not doesn't matter it's not my job to figure that out.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

And like I said before, you're not taking into account console players either.

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Select Chat Log > -R2- for Auto Translate > Greetings > {This is my first time here.}
Auto Translate is a easy and effective way of quickly communicating. Def was made for not just dealing with language barriers but controller users as well. The game even has you use it in a couple of low level Main Scenario Quests to get you used to talking in game before going into dungeons.

Macros as many have said are another option, it doesn't have to be a complex macro, just a simple Auto Translate phrase popped into a button. Plenty of console users use them to get by limited hot bar space.

All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.

If you're new, speak up. Regardless of whether you feel you should or shouldn't have to. Do it anyway. :)

When I do something new as healer I typically go in 'hi, I'm new feel free to boss me around if i derp'

Why?
1. It lets them know I'm new...esp since a lot of times, this is on 'fresher' content that doesn't give the 'new player bonus/warning'
2. It already establishes a ground work for people to be 'bossy' or 'dicks' if they want and I do actually screw up...although ironically, if you TELL people it's okay to boss you, they actually never do.
3. They tend to be more patient if I miss a key mechanic/HPs get dangerously low.

To be honest though, it's rare people die just because I derped... still the warning helps them not be morons/at least own when they were in fact, morons.

In your case, with the roulettes you are likely doing now, warn them in the beginning that you're new....even if they run in...take your time, type your warning first (maybe even while watching the CS...which btw, should already be their clue that YOU'RE the new guy...as you're the only one in the CS and likely have lower HP's than the rest of the group). THEN buff them. Do NOT buff until you are ready...they run in, unbuffed, that is 100% them being morons/impatient. And if they want to whine/kick you based on that, let them...they are the ones being dicks...not you, and most groups (most) should be kind/patient.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

with the game announcing "one or more players are new to this duty" they may think that's enough. Because seriously, tell me how thinking this way makes sense:

"Game is telling me this guy is new? PFFFFFFF of course the game is lying! There's no chance this is a newbie. This right here is an alt. Just like all black mages and gatherers are RMT bots."

I would also expect the experienced people to make knowledge checks on complicated parts, like the aforementioned Qarn 1st boss. Because, you know, the experienced ones are the ones who know what parts are troublesome. Don't expect the newbie to know on their very 1st run.

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If you want to be treated like you're new, you need to tell the party that you are new. There's no ifs ands or buts about that. If you don't tell them, how can you expect them to know? The average person in Duty Finder isn't exactly a mind reader, and it's not always easy to tell who the new person is. I've seen people tooling around in full Ironworks gear that have new player messages, and I've seen people with an i55-i70 weapon that already know the content like the back of their hand. Hell, I ran into an i85-ish WHM in Amdapor Keep that surprised the hell out of a three man premade by not only telling us to do big pulls, but by Holy-ing the ever living daylights out of them. When I first started, I went and read guides on the dungeons so I wouldn't be completely clueless, but I still told people that I was new going into each one.

When I see a new player message, I go a step further. I typically say something like "yay newbie!" and then ask who's new. My theory is that being cheerful about having a new person helps assuage any possible doubts they might have that they may be picked on for being new, so they may be more likely to speak up. I gear check while I wait for someone to answer. If someone does speak up, we make sure to tell them important mechanics and role-specific information. If nobody answers, then I simply do the dungeon based on how the other people are geared. If you can't be bothered to speak up that you're new even when asked, then you can't expect to have people do things differently for you.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Seriously?

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Yes, seriously. I only post frivolously unserious things on Tuesdays.

Seriouser still, macros are an MMORPG factor, not a PC factor. You seem to be implying that the community as a whole should cater to console players who can't be bothered to buy a chatpad or a USB keyboard or set up chat macros as a work-around for only playing with a controller.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

When I see a new player message, I go a step further. I typically say something like "yay newbie!" and then ask who's new. My theory is that being cheerful about having a new person helps assuage any possible doubts they might have that they may be picked on for being new, so they may be more likely to speak up. I gear check while I wait for someone to answer. If someone does speak up, we make sure to tell them important mechanics and role-specific information. If nobody answers, then I simply do the dungeon based on how the other people are geared. If you can't be bothered to speak up that you're new even when asked, then you can't expect to have people do things differently for you.

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See that's what is needed, however..

The first time I said I was a new to a dungeon. The healer left. So there's that too.