Yoshi and Team treading that fine line

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

Practice so you can Suck Less™. Coil2 can be full cleared in i90 gear.

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Originally Posted by Wyrmnus

You are the prime definition of elitist. It seriously is frightening. Ive said it before in other threads. People with your mindsets are an cancerous poison to what's supposed to be a well minded MMO gaming community.

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No not really. There's nothing wrong with being an elitist. My standards are really quite low - simply have a basic understanding of how your class works and understand the fight before you hit queue if it's been out for many months. Why is it so bad wanting individuals to at least try to pull their own weight?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm laughing at some of you players saying that nerfing this is a travesty...did any of you do Coil 1 again after Coil 2 and the new equipment came out? Just the existence of that equipment trivialized Coil 1, and the new equipment will do the same to Coil 2. And I bet a lot of you won't even be touching Coil 2 again because you'll be too busy in Coil 3. When a new superdungeon comes out with new equipment, that said equipment will trivialize the previous superdungeon and make it easier. That alone is already nerfing your precious "hardcore" content, so adding the echo and changing the mechanics won't do much at all. Plus the mechanic changes have already been done to dungeons before in this game, such as AK and what was once the "Party Destroyer" of 2.0, Demon Wall. These things happen, get over it.

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You're laughing because you have a false image of what players who are against the nerfing of content are like.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

The top tier raiders are bored to tears. My friends and I have been having fun doing what we've dubbed 'Terror Queue', where we go in with a partial party to old content (TitanX, T5, etc.) and see if we're able to carry and get people their first clears.

Spoilers: GarudaX is harder than TitanX or T5 to do in DF. Imagine that!

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I joined in on one of Xeno's Terror Queue sessions a week ago. Was a lot of fun and helped a few people get their Titan EX and Ultima HM clears. No T5 clears from that, but we really gave a good effort trying to help these people out. (i.e. No ragequits, spent a great deal of time trying to work things out)

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

No not really. There's nothing wrong with being an elitist. My standards are really quite low - simply have a basic understanding of how your class works and understand the fight before you hit queue if it's been out for many months. Why is it so bad wanting individuals to at least try to pull their own weight?

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Please go see a therapist. You clearly don't see what you're saying and how much it can piss someone off.

For people griping about Coil2 getting nerfed or whatever... maybe do Savage instead?

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Originally Posted by Wyrmnus

Please go see a therapist. You clearly don't see what you're saying and how much it can piss someone off.

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No you've just attached a negative connotation to it. It merely means that I want to play with others who put serious effort into self-improvement and optimization and think first of how they can do better before how the other guy in the group can do better.

If you approach me with the attitude of "I want to get better" then I'm more than happy to help out. If you just say "lag lol brb cat on fire" then I'm gonna call it as I see it - you were dead the entire time and got carried.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

No you've just attached a negative connotation to it. It merely means that I want to play with others who put serious effort into self-improvement and optimization and think first of how they can do better before how the other guy in the group can do better.

If you approach me with the attitude of "I want to get better" then I'm more than happy to help out. If you just say "lag lol brb cat on fire" then I'm gonna call it as I see it - you were dead the entire time and got carried.

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Are you trying to oversell your "ideals" and at the same time trying so hard to bunch up everyone that is not like you into the "whiny self entitled want to be carried *insert other negative stuff here*" grp?

You might need to work on the presentation, it looks like a hard sell to me.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

It merely means that I want to play with others who put serious effort into self-improvement and optimization and think first of how they can do better before how the other guy in the group can do better.

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Savage Coil. You have this.

Coil isn't content that is needed to progress. It has some story elements, but it's difficult content that is intended for those who are willing to put in the time and effort to build a static with people who are goal oriented and like-minded. The fact is, this is the only hardcore content in the game currently and by nerfing it, is really taking away the rewards and pride of those who really earned it. Its not like this content is required to progress in the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Garotte14

Coil isn't content that is needed to progress. It has some story elements, but it's difficult content that is intended for those who are willing to put in the time and effort to build a static with people who are goal oriented and like-minded. The fact is, this is the only hardcore content in the game currently and by nerfing it, is really taking away the rewards and pride of those who really earned it. Its not like this content is required to progress in the rest of the game.

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Some players don't even have a static, they just pug in PF asking for exp only players half the time. Having a static almost nothing to do with it, Statics just make it easier to learn and get through the content with like-minded players.