Macro Programs? Illegal?

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

You Betrayed the law!

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haha /10char

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Originally Posted by Dubont

read your ToS then, scrubby. Anything that creates an automated action (macro spamming, button mashing by use of software/hardware) is considered a 3rd party program and is referred to as a "bot" in FF terms. It is bannable. You asked a question and I gave you the answer. YES, the G15 is legal, but YES the G15's macro capability will get you banned if you use it while afk and get caught doing it. If you would have read all of my post, instead of going on a noobish fanboy rage over how I said no to your illegal macros, you would have seen that I answered your question. The answer is: Don't use the macros while afk.

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Macros are not automation. Bots are automation. Using macros does not mean you're botting. The OP was not asking if he could make a bot, he was asking if he could make macros. You cannot use macros while AFK, you need to press keys to activate macros. A G15 makes macros, they cannot play a game while you're AFK.

Understandably, you're confused.

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Originally Posted by Ava

Hate to break it to you, but... we are ALL using third party software to play this game. There's a reason other companies have stopped caring about macro software. It's nearly impossible to draw a line between malicious third party software and safe third party software because we all use it. Companies like SE just put a blanket statement out there to be safe. Other companies like Blizzard actually have the capacity to define the line, which is automation software, rather than third party software.

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Umm... Please excuse me while I exclude myself from the "we are ALL using third party software" bit.

I play the game with a mouse and keyboard, no special drivers, no 3rd party software, no bots, hacks, scripts, windower, etc. I find it lame (personally) to even use add-ons that provide information not readily provided by the game by default.

That aspect of WoW killed any interest I might have had in raiding. Raid groups depend entirely on a plethora of add-ons - which they deem "mandatory" - to achieve anything. They require a UI cluttered with widgets that pretty much spell everything out for them, leaving little, if anything, for them to figure out or follow themselves.

Then the clowns have the balls to brag about how "skilled" they are on forums and in-game. Yeah, they can mimic TankSpot strategy vids and follow wiki guides. They can rely entirely on add-ons that spell everything out for them, such as one that alerts what a raid boss is about to do. They can follow walkthroughs step by step like a cake recipe.

Let me tell ya, that is *hardcore*. Please excuse me while I take a moment to gasp in wide-eyed amazement at their incredible intuition, coordination and talent.

Pathetic. It's one thing to resort to using guides when an aspect of the game is giving someone trouble after several attempts. It's something else altogether when using them is the foundation of how someone plays the game.

I'm sure allowing such add-ons is going to be expected by a portion of XIV's player base who have become reliant on using them as a crutch in other games, and just assume "FFXIV should allow them, too". I wouldn't be surprised to see someone pull the "a next gen MMO should support add-ons" card on that one.

All I can say is, I really and sincerely hope SE never allows it. Let people learn the encounters through good old-fashioned trial and error, "try and try again...", making mistakes, learning from them and adjusting their tactics accordingly so as to not make them again. For example, the way this first dungeon in XIV was conquered...

I have a feeling people wouldn't be complaining so much these days about "how boring and easy-mode MMOs are" if they'd stop using the damn addons, templates and wiki-walkthroughs for everything and tried actually figuring it out for them self. Of course, then, they'd be complaining 'cause they didn't get the win on the first or second try and find it "unfair".

Ugh... sorry... that's a topic that just gets me riled. lol

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Umm... Please exclude me from the "we are ALL using third party software" bit.

I play the game with a mouse and keyboard, no special drivers, no 3rd party software, no bots, hacks, scripts, windower, etc. I find it lame (personally) to even use add-ons that provide information not readily provided by the game by default.

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You are using drivers. Drivers are third party to FFXIV. Default drivers are still third party software to FFXIV. The OP was referring to default keyboard drivers for the keyboard he is using. They are not "special". Nor are mine, or yours. We're all still using third party software.

Edit to respond to the rest of your post even though it's completely off-topic.

Standards change, Blizzard raised the bar for MMORPGs with World of Warcraft (like it or not, they did). People enjoy strategical challenge instead of artificial "hard for the sake of being hard" challenge, addons add an additional element to the game that enhances the overall gameplay experience. You talk about difficulty and wikis and all that jazz, but those things have existed forever. The internet simply makes them more accessible. You can choose not to embrace them, but that's basically the same as riding your bike to work rather than taking your car. You're gimping yourself for no reason. Developers just need to find new ways to challenge their players.

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Originally Posted by Ava

You are using drivers. Drivers are third party to FFXIV. Default drivers are still third party software to FFXIV. The OP was referring to default keyboard drivers for the keyboard he is using. They are not "special". Nor are mine, or yours. We're all still using third party software.

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Ah, so it was meant in a very, very general sense.

I was speaking in a very specific sense :)

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Ah, so it was meant in a very, very general sense.

I was speaking in a very specific sense :)

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Yeah, it's the concept. You can't really use the argument "third party software will get you banned" because that's not true. There's no way to distinguish good third party software from bad third party software. Being irresponsible or abusive gets you banned, and that can be applied to things outside of botting as well. Just be responsible with macros and you're fine.

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Originally Posted by Petori

They say WoW is for kids and they act like one themselves. Yes, this community is SO mature. Just look at this forum and you'll see it.

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This community is no more mature than WoW's or any other MMO's. Someone who likes one MMO and hates another will more often than not always rave about how good their community is and how much the other community sucks, how they are all 12 year olds.

Personally can't stand WoW, but I think I have seen more GTFO and go back to WoW here than any other MMO forum I have been on. If you were to take the time and effort to research the % of lamers and jackasses on this forum vs actual game population and do the same with WoW or any other MMO. The % of fools in each population would likely be the same.

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The % of fools in each population would likely be the same.

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Yes, thanks to you
we know that now.