Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I agree to disagree, because what I'm advocating is everyone to play nice and respect other players in this game. You two are advocating is that it's a dog-eat-dog world out there and everyone should look after themselves and their own self-interest.

I can respect the opinion, though I disagree with it, but I also know that I have no solidifying counterpoint to it since it's my own opinion versus yours on how the matter should be dealt with.

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And that's a great thing to advocate. There are even others out there just like you who advocate the same thing. More power to ya. If that day ever comes, I will be the first person to join you on the beach with a a tray of pina coladas. But reality is still reality and it only cares about what is. Not about what is right and wrong. Though like you, I wish it were different :(

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Originally Posted by Darki

I believe you when you say that you were never trade trolled. To answer your question, it is because trade trolls are bellow you and everyone else who isn't a troll. They are simply not worth your attention, time or energy. Let's say that you were in fact trade trolled. They have already effected your gameplay and maybe even irked you a little. Now you want to give them more fill out a GM report and then wait and wait for a response from said GM? ...Why? Your gameplay is far less effected if you just calmly put up /busy (preferably beforehand) and go back to enjoying the game. Don't give trolls a victory by letting them inside your head rent free.

If it makes you feel better, try thinking of the "busy" symbol by your name as a big middle finger to the trolls.

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I understand your point that it is below us, but like others said, putting yourself on busy makes you unable to communicate with certain friends. Basically what you are saying is everyone should just run around with /busy on and play like this is a single player game...when it is a MMO. So to some people putting up /busy will not make it so you can go back to enjoying the game...since you know some people have friends that they like to talk to.

Also I am unsure about what you mean about "waiting" for a response from a GM...you do not have to just sit there and wait you can do whatever you want. GM's can even send /tells to you while you are in an instance.

So instead of making everyone run around with /busy on all the time, maybe it is better to promote that this behaviour is not acceptable, cause it's not lol

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

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You make it sound like trolls will magically disappear and you will never see anymore again if you "send a message." Trolls don't care if it's ok or not. They will do it anyway. The're trolls lol. They have been around since the birth of the internet. Plus, there will always be new ones to take the place of the old ones. But you go ahead and descend upon them with blood tipped wings and a flaming sword and let me know how it turns out.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I understand your point that it is below us, but like others said, putting yourself on busy makes you unable to communicate with certain friends. Basically what you are saying is everyone should just run around with /busy on and play like this is a single player game...when it is a MMO. So to some people putting up /busy will not make it so you can go back to enjoying the game...since you know some people have friends that they like to talk to.

Also I am unsure about what you mean about "waiting" for a response from a GM...you do not have to just sit there and wait you can do whatever you want. GM's can even send /tells to you while you are in an instance.

So instead of making everyone run around with /busy on all the time, maybe it is better to promote that this behaviour is not acceptable, cause it's not lol

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Not all the time. Just during sensitive times like gathering and map farming for example. No point in having up during times that trolls can't get to you.

In my experience, GMs take a good while to respond. If they are faster with you then I guess you lucked out.

There's always gotta be that one guy who has to play the role of douchebags' advocate.

So Darki what your saying is work around the trolls time? hide from them and let them do what they want yea if this world was like that i guess hackers and ppl who rob others never be in jail the fact is GMs are the cops of our lil world and we need to report ppl doing bad things as this is the only way the game will grow. I'm not saying the kids or trolls need a ban forever but a few days to a week may clean stuff up

I see a lot of people talking about how SE needs to implement measures to make sure that this sort of thing can't happen to begin with. That's a good line of thinking. SE should implement measures to make trading work like things such as party/LS/FC invites and loot and the like. I think what everyone who is arguing that it's not worth the time and effort of reporting is missing, is that if this type of behavior isn't reported and brought to the attention of GMs as being something that can be abused, SE won't notice that it is something that needs to be fixed. People arguing against reporting griefers who use this tactic, I would ask you to consider that reports of this nature are used for reasons other than just handing out punishment. Reporting things like this also help bring unintended mechanics/uses/exploits to the attention of the development team so that they can find ways to deal with them and make the game more functional and enjoyable for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

So Darki what your saying is work around the trolls time? hide from them and let them do what they want yea if this world was like that i guess hackers and ppl who rob others never be in jail the fact is GMs are the cops of our lil world and we need to report ppl doing bad things as this is the only way the game will grow. I'm not saying the kids or trolls need a ban forever but a few days to a week may clean stuff up

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Authorities (GMs) are for when preventive measures have failed. If you didn't even make the attempt to take preventive measures then sorry it's partly your fault. Like they say in the Boy's and Girl's Scouts: "Be Prepared."

Guard yourself so you don't have to run to the GMs so much. The game developers have even given us many tools to keep trolls out of our gameplay. The vote kick, blacklist, /busy and coming soon to patch 2.35: the ability to kick trolls out of the FC regardless if they have a private room or not, and updated mechanics to Hunts and Frontline. These are all great tools that work well when people actually use them.

But you want to ignore the fact that these tools exist and run to the GM every time someone disturbs your gameplay? I think you want to be trade trolled so you have an excuse to play victim. There is no other explanation.
Support prevention. Not retaliation.

Oh and your getting robed analogy? Let me paint you a picture:

Police: "So Ms. Bank Manager, you say you were robed?"
Mannager: "Yes and I want the robber caught this instant!"
Police: "Ok lets look at the safe so we can check for clues"
Manager "A safe? We don't have one. We trusted people to only take what is in their accounts."
Police "...um...ok what about security camera footage?"
Manager: "We don't have a camera system ether"
Police: "You mean to tell me you didn't take any preventive measures to safeguard the money?"
Manager: "Hey! Don't lecture me on how to run my bank! It is your job to catch this hooligan!"
Police: "Ma'am, we will put out an A.P.B on the thief but you should at least attempt to guard your client's money so that it wouldn't be taken by someone with just their bare hands."

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Originally Posted by Darki

But you want to ignore the fact that these tools exist and run to the GM every time someone disturbs your gameplay? I think you want to be trade trolled so you have an excuse to play victim. There is no other explanation."

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Thank you for illustrating my point. Let's all blame the victim!

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Thank you for illustrating my point. Let's all blame the victim!

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Originally Posted by Darki

What you are saying is that victims should not be obligated to guard themselves in any way. That someone else should do all the work for them. This is highly impractical not to mention a lot less safe than being prepared in the first place. Prevention isn't foolproof of course. But doing nothing...is far worse.

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