We need a response from Yoshi about the Atma quest.

Awe don't give up! It went slow for me at first too.

my first atma took me 45 hours of non stop FATEs to get

second was 4 hours

third was 4 hours

fourth was about 2 1/2 hours

fifth was another 22 hours

sixth was 4 hours

seventh was 1 hour

I work full time. I do not possess the time to grind for 40+ hours for ONE damn atma. Scrap the quest entirely, and remake it so it makes use of our level 50 characters

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Originally Posted by moudoka

I work full time. I do not possess the time to grind for 40+ hours for ONE damn atma. Scrap the quest entirely, and remake it so it makes use of our level 50 characters

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What if alternatively it's just content you can't do yet? It will get nerfed at some point allowing you to do it, isn't that fine?

I mean 40+ hours for a single Atma is a really high estimate. It's incredibly bad luck.

And should this luck be the outcome of a quest?

What are you talking about? Plenty of things are luck. You'd be lucky if you found a group that could do HM Titan for the original relic. You're lucky to find a static full of people you get along with, you're lucky if you see your drop, you're lucky if you win the roll for that drop. Hell, some might even say you're lucky to be maining a class that is ranged. You're lucky if someone gives you commendations, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, I am curious if these forums have been infiltrated by some clandestine fatalist death cult. 'The Order of Certainty' is maybe what you'd all call yourself. What is the huge problem with something being RNG based, this isn't a raid attunement or anything like that, it really isn't locking you out of anything. What bothers you so much about luck?

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Originally Posted by Worm

You'd be lucky if you found a group that could do HM Titan for the original relic.

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This is both correct and wrong at the same time. Correct because at one instance, I had to be in a group that NEEDED 50% echo buff to kill Titan. Even then, it came down to
1. myself (MT)
2. 2 Dragoons that kept dying and getting revived by
3. A REALLY awesome Scholar that was able to keep reviving said Dragoons and still heal me post-heart phase

Titan HM should be a cakewalk with echo buffs. I got most of my relics pre-2.2. Didn't need the buff then, Monk one being my favourite because Monk just feels like such a beast in there. Now there SHOULD be no excuse as to why people are failing Titan HM but…

The statement being wrong, because there are people out there that just breeze through it. Hell, the last Garuda HM I did that went through without a death, we ended up killing her before she could even push to the center (eye of the storm) phase. Didn't even need LB either.

I don't pay to play a waiting game. Take out dumb RNG off relic upgrade quest and add numbers of fate required to obtain a drop would be great.

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What if alternatively it's just content you can't do yet? It will get nerfed at some point allowing you to do it, isn't that fine?

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So, I should avoid playing until it is nerfed...which defeats the entire point of playing? Your logic makes very little sense. I'm to avoid the quest, wait for the eventual increase in drops, because the drop rate currently is so abysmal, that it is irritating throngs of people? I'm up to nearly a hundred fates, as time allows, and no drops. Even with a 1%-5% drop rate, I should, by mathmatical standards, have 1-5 atmas. Yet, in this game, when the rate appears to below 80%, that rate ends up being 5-10% at best. You see, I've tried this on my miner. If my rate of harvest is over 80%, I harvest 95% of the time. Which unto itself is a VERY flawed math problem. When it's 79% and lower, I harvest approximately 5-20% of the time. That makes no sense does it? This Atma is the same way.

The issue with Titan/Levi is that people don't know how to freaking dodge and constantly blame it on lag when they fail when in reality it comes to them either not knowing the fight or not paying attention to what is going on.

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Originally Posted by moudoka

So, I should avoid playing until it is nerfed...which defeats the entire point of playing? Your logic makes very little sense. I'm to avoid the quest, wait for the eventual increase in drops, because the drop rate currently is so abysmal, that it is irritating throngs of people?

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It's not the only thing to do in the game right now, so no you don't have to quit playing. Also yes if you can't do something then avoid it, you'll never see me on the basketball court. Throngs of people get irritated by EVERYTHING in MMOs, who cares? Everyone always thinks they're the majority while they're complaining on forums.

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Originally Posted by moudoka

Even with a 1%-5% drop rate, I should, by mathmatical standards, have 1-5 atmas.

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Maybe ATMA is so irritating to you because you think statistics is magic. Think about it for a second, if you roll a dice 6 times are you always going to get each number once? Of course not! Rolling a 6 sided die doesn't guarantee you one 6, nor does a 20 sided die guarantee you one 20, and a 100 sided die doesn't magically come up with that 100 on it's 100th roll.

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Originally Posted by moudoka

Yet, in this game, when the rate appears to below 80%, that rate ends up being 5-10% at best. You see, I've tried this on my miner. If my rate of harvest is over 80%, I harvest 95% of the time. Which unto itself is a VERY flawed math problem. When it's 79% and lower, I harvest approximately 5-20% of the time. That makes no sense does it? This Atma is the same way.

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You have a math problem alright. Actually given the multitude of "Turn 5 never drops Monk gear OMG" posts I've seen it seems like a lot of this community does.