So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.

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balbanes, did we or did we not buy a retail copy? just because some on these forums want to call this beta does not change the fact you can still buy the retail version of the game in stores....aka it is released not beta.

would i call it retail ready? no not at all, but undoubtedly se did since they did and still are selling the game.

if se were to take it back to beta they would only need to stop selling the retail version in stores. i know my local game stop still sells it because i bought a copy for my mule just about a week ago.

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.

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Since we are currently not paying to play, it is pretty safe to assume the game is not retail ready and that technically we are still in beta. Most of us wanted to be in beta, we just all ended up having to pay cash to do so :) No worries, we got a leg up on the new players that will come in after this game is fixed.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

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This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

Just to back up what Tirion said, heres what i posted in another thread "worrying" about a similar topic:

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The reduction in bonuses from Linking and the Addition of finish bonuses will still make leve-partying a viable option until they add a load of content. The finishing bonuses with leves are better when you do it hard and fast (mind the pun).

So solo you can do say a R20 leve solo at 1 star in 20mins and you get 1500sp bonus at the end, but you try in a party that could do it at 4stars in 10mins and the bonus is much better and everyone in the party gets it.

Not actually sure about if everyone gets the same amount or if helping nets you just a little less than the "host" unless you link).

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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I just dont think it's worth arguing with it. Waste of breath it is. mr. darkstar doesn't seem to understand a lot of things

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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Originally Posted by Lodestone

Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss.

The skill point bonus will be abolished for battlecraft leves. The amount of skill points awarded for slaying individual enemies will be reduced, but this will be offset by the inclusion of skill points as a reward for leve completion. To accommodate this change, factors such as recommended/actual rank disparity, completion time, and partial participation will be made to influence the amount of points yielded. In addition, leve linking and sharing bonuses will be reduced, while the maximum number of linkable leves will be raised.

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I bolded the parts in which you seem to not understand. Think about it a little more. What looks more desirable? Solo play or party play?

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

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Sorry man but these are assumptions, we don't have any proof at this moment of how SP will be as solo compared to party play. Hell SE might make it to where if you have 8 people all linked with GA on the same leve get less SP than someone running it solo. At this point WE DO NOT KNOW. Just hang tight til we can post possible issues regarding the changes after they have come. Until then, kinda doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

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unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

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Originally Posted by GabbaGabba

unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

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and everyone arguing the worries are stupid are doing the same thing. the point is nobody knows what is happening and people state their worries and get blasted by these forum trolls. who's to blame for the fact that nobody knows? it would be se for it's lack of information.